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Date

May 7, 2026, at 5:30 p.m. ET

Call participants

  • Chief Executive Officer — Michael Bieber
  • Chief Financial Officer — Creighton Early

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Takeaways

  • Normalized contract revenue growth -- 10% increase year over year, excluding the extra week in the prior year, reflecting ongoing demand for services.
  • Normalized net revenue growth -- 17% increase year over year, after adjusting for the prior year's extra week, signaling improved execution and business mix.
  • Adjusted EBITDA -- $18.1 million, up 35% year over year on a normalized basis and representing 19.6% of net revenue, the highest first quarter result for the company.
  • GAAP net income -- $8.5 million, up 82%, or 96% on a normalized basis, compared to the prior year, demonstrating bottom-line acceleration.
  • Adjusted diluted EPS -- $0.91, up 44%, compared to $0.63 in the prior year, with a reported 0% effective tax rate for current guidance.
  • Gross margin -- 40.7%, an increase from 37.8% in the previous year, reflecting productivity improvements and favorable revenue mix.
  • Contract wins -- Notable awards include a $100 million program extension with Southern California Edison, a $54 million plant upgrade for DASNY, a $27 million New York Accelerator program, a $24 million battery storage project in Puerto Rico, and two smaller National Grid contracts.
  • Burton Energy Group acquisition -- Closed at the start of the week, brings approximately $103 million in contract revenue, $15 million in net revenue, and $7 million in EBITDA (all 2025 figures), and is expected to be accretive to margin and EPS in 2026.
  • Commercial revenue diversification -- Expected to reach 25% of total revenue in 2026 (up from 7% in 2024 pro forma), with the Burton acquisition expanding Fortune 500 client penetration.
  • Geographic expansion -- With Burton, projects are now active in all 50 states, and the company has permanent offices in 26 states, plus a presence in Puerto Rico and Canada.
  • Guidance increases -- Full-year targets raised to $410 million–$425 million in net revenues, $100 million–$105 million in adjusted EBITDA, and $4.90–$5.05 in adjusted diluted EPS on roughly 15.9 million shares and a projected 0% effective tax rate.
  • Adjusted EBITDA margin goal -- Long-term target raised to "high 20s" percent, based on productivity gains and diversification, with guidance implying over 24% for 2026.
  • Cash flow -- Trailing 12-month cash flow from operations was $52 million, though $24 million was used in operating activities for the quarter due to timing of client payments.
  • Leverage and liquidity -- Quarter-end net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 0.2x; after drawing $30 million on the revolving credit facility to fund the Burton acquisition, leverage increased to 0.6x, with a plan to repay the revolver by year-end.
  • Tax assets -- Deferred tax assets of $28 million expected to offset future tax liabilities well into 2027 and beyond.
  • APG segment performance -- Management stated that APG is expected to "more than double" or "approach tripling" revenue this year, driven by large data center power block and battery storage projects.

Summary

Willdan Group (WLDN +18.20%) reported record normalized adjusted EBITDA and net income growth for the first quarter of 2026, attributed to margin expansion, with the Burton acquisition expected to contribute to increased commercial revenue penetration later in the year.

Management raised full-year 2026 guidance across revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EPS metrics while also revising long-term EBITDA margin targets upward. The Burton deal introduces a high share of recurring revenue and entry into new commercial markets, with management highlighting immediate cross-selling and future pipeline expansion opportunities. Large contract wins and active project footprints now span all U.S. states, reflecting broadening geographic reach and diversification in revenue streams.

  • Management cited four drivers for sustained margin expansion: cost discipline in back-office functions, rising value of energy services amid supply constraints, premium positioning in the value chain, and the increasing mix of commercial work.
  • APG's confidential data center projects, chiefly in the Southwest, underpin outsized growth within that segment.
  • Tax benefits from Section 179D energy efficiency deductions and discrete stock compensation items significantly contributed to improved after-tax results compared to the previous year.
  • Free cash flow is expected to exceed 70% of adjusted EBITDA on an annualized basis according to management comments, supporting future growth initiatives.
  • Management emphasized being a "buyer of choice" for acquisition targets reluctant to sell to private equity, citing an active pipeline focused on electrical engineering, commercial expansion, and front-end analytics and software capabilities.
  • The Los Angeles Water & Power contract has begun generating modest revenue, with expectations of greater impact in future quarters but not currently driving guidance increases.
  • No current capacity constraints on organic growth were acknowledged, as hiring needs are limited to select specialized roles such as electrical engineering and construction management.

Industry glossary

  • Adjusted EBITDA: Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, excluding certain non-recurring or non-cash items, as used by Willdan Group for financial guidance and analysis.
  • Section 179D: U.S. federal tax deduction for energy-efficient commercial building improvements, referenced as a significant driver of the company’s tax position.
  • IRP (Integrated Resource Plan): Utility planning document forecasting future electricity generation needs and resource mixes, cited in reference to capacity expansions in Willdan’s markets.
  • APG: Acquired business unit within Willdan specializing in electrical engineering services for large data centers and battery storage projects.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Michael Bieber: Thanks, Al, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. We had a strong start to 2026, continuing the momentum we've been building with solid execution and expanding margins across the business. In the first quarter, normalized for that extra week we had last year in Q1, contract revenue grew 10%, net revenue grew 17% and adjusted EBITDA increased 35% year-over-year. Overall, the business is performing well, and we remain at the center of several long-term energy trends that are driving growth. With a solid Q1 behind us and good visibility on what we believe will be a very strong performance over the next few quarters, we have improved visibility on 2026 compared to our last quarterly call.

That is all before the announcement of our latest acquisition. On Monday of this week, we closed the acquisition of Burton Energy Group, which I'll discuss next. On Slide 3. Burton Energy Group is a trusted adviser, serving mainly Fortune 500 customers throughout the United States. Willdan has been working with Burton for more than 10 years under our Con Edison program and elsewhere around the country. Burton brings a highly complementary set of capabilities, including energy management, energy efficiency and energy procurement services. They help manage the energy at more than 60,000 client sites.

Burton expands our capabilities in energy cost management and procurement, deepens our relationships with large enterprise clients and adds a high percentage of recurring revenue to our business, usually contracted under multiyear agreements. Burton generated approximately $103 million in contract revenue, $15 million in net revenue and $7 million in EBITDA in 2025. The acquisition is expected to be accretive to our margin, earnings and EPS this year '26. Burton opens an almost entirely new market to Willdan with Fortune 500 clients. We're excited to welcome the Burton team, and we're particularly optimistic about the cross-selling opportunities with this group since we've known them for so long. On Slide 4.

When I became CEO at the beginning of 2024, I talked about our strategy to significantly expand into the commercial sector. We described then that we believe diversification would add long-term stability and would provide Willdan with the opportunity to earn higher margins. These pie charts show that in 2024, commercial revenue was 7% of our business. 2 years later, on a full year pro forma basis after Burton, commercial revenue is expected to be about 25% of revenue this year. The diversification has also contributed to our higher margins and to the reset of our long-term margin targets that Kim will present in a few slides. On Slide 5.

This chart shows that Burton is headquartered outside Atlanta, Georgia and helps fill in Willdan's presence in the Southeastern and Midwestern states. With Burton, Willdan now has active projects in all 50 states. We now have permanent offices in 26 of the 50 states plus a presence in Puerto Rico and Canada. Next on Slide 6. We've used this triangle diagram before to show that in problem solving, upfront analysis of a client's problem leads to the engineering of a solution and then to the program management of the solution implementation. Burton's services fall into all 3 categories. Burton often starts with the study of a client's energy usage, energy costs and carbon generation.

That usually results in the design of a program that helps lower cost, improve resilience and achieve a client's unique objectives. Burton will usually manage the teams of contractors that will address a client's energy usage to achieve that client's objectives. Each of these phases of work is usually conducted through multiyear contracts that lead to the long-term client engagements of more than 10 years. On Slide 7. We've had another solid stretch of contract wins, and here are a few examples since our last earnings call. For Southern California Edison, SCE, we received a 2-year extension and another $100 million of funding for our commercial energy efficiency program. This expansion would extend the program through the end of 2027.

For the Dormitory Authority of the State of New York, DASNY, we won a $54 million project to upgrade the central plant at a college in New York City. I'm very pleased that we were awarded the $27 million 3-year New York Accelerator program. This is a new contract, which has been held for many years by one of our strongest competitors. We started pursuing this contract several years ago, and we're able to win this key program, which helps the city of New York accelerate the decarbonization of buildings in the city, a very cool win. Next, we were awarded Ciro One project in Puerto Rico, a $24 million battery energy storage system.

This project is one of several on the island designed to help improve power grid resiliency in Puerto Rico, a major issue there. And lastly, we were awarded 2 small contracts with National Grid for New York City and Long Island to implement small business energy efficiency programs. It was a good quarter for New wins, and our pipeline of opportunities continues to grow. On Slide 8. Each quarter, we try to take a step back and look at macro changes to electricity demand and its effect on the grid and Willdan's market. We've talked a lot about how AI is driving a long-term increase in electricity demand due to new data centers.

Previously, we presented some of our work for the state of Virginia, the largest data center market in the world. Recently, we studied electricity demand increases across the Western U.S., so I'll present a few highlights from those studies. Work like these keeps Willdan at the very forefront of trends in the energy markets, helping us to navigate this period of rapid change. Slide 8 shows a few examples of electricity demand across the Western U.S. On the left of the slide, in the Pacific Northwest, the scale of the new electricity generation is insufficient to meet forecasted demands by 2030. To the right, the Southwestern U.S. needs 25 gigawatts.

California alone needs 20 gigawatts of additional generation capacity by 2030. The growth in electricity demand is largely driven by new data centers. On Slide 9, this slide from the same study shows that in the Northwestern U.S., when you take into account retiring electricity generation, the pace of new generation will increase by 4 to 5x the pace of historical generation development. The sum of integrated resource plans, IRPs indicates that most of this electricity is forecasted to come from solar, wind and battery storage given the supply chain constraints around gas turbines. This more complex future generation stack complements Willdan's capabilities.

The sustained load growth and increased investment are driving long-term demand for grid infrastructure, engineering and energy solutions, areas where Willdan is well positioned. As we've mentioned before, energy efficiency is one of the most quickly available, least cost electricity resources. We believe these trends will drive our business for years to come. Overall, we're pleased with our performance to start the year. Operational strength and the addition of Burton set Willdan up to have what we believe will be another very strong year. As Kim will detail, we are now anticipating that we will grow adjusted EBITDA by 26% to 32% year-over-year, an outstanding result. Kim, over to you.

Creighton Early: Thanks, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered a strong start to 2026, exceeding expectations with solid performance across our businesses and continued margin expansion. Strong underlying demand for our services and greater productivity in our utility programs and performance engineering projects drove higher profitability in the quarter. Slide 11 shows the key metrics for the quarter. Contract revenue increased 2% year-over-year to $155 million, while net revenue grew 8% to $92 million for the quarter. But as a reminder, the first quarter of 2025 included an additional week. Excluding this impact, contract revenue grew 10% year-over-year and net revenue 17%, reflecting the continuing continued health of the business.

An improvement in gross margins was the key driver behind the 25% increase or 35% when 2025 is normalized in adjusted EBITDA over the prior year. The $18.1 million in adjusted EBITDA was a first quarter record and represented 19.6% of net revenue. Expense control and a 2026 tax benefit versus the smaller tax expense in the prior year enabled adjusted earnings per share to increase 44% over last year's first quarter to $0.91 per share compared to $0.63 in 2025.

To provide a little more detail on the components of the earnings improvements, our gross margin expanded to 40.7%, up from 37.8% in the prior year, reflecting the expanding volume, improved productivity and a favorable service mix as we continue to focus on quality and profitability. The improved margin performance was derived from productivity improvements in sales and reduced costs under our utility programs and further aided by margin improvements in our performance contracting projects, including those from the acquisition of APG a year ago.

G&A expenses increased 10% year-over-year or 19% when normalized for the additional week in 2025, primarily reflecting higher noncash charges for the amortization of intangibles derived from acquisitions of $1 million as well as stock compensation increases reflecting the higher stock price compared to a year ago, up $1.3 million. Salary and benefit costs also increased consistent with the acquisitions and the growth of core revenues and earnings, while interest expense was $1 million lower than a year ago, reflecting the lower leverage from our strong cash flows. Thus, our pretax income grew by 40% to $7.3 million for the 13-week first quarter of '26 compared to $5.2 million in the 14-week period a year ago.

We recognized a $1.3 million tax benefit in the quarter compared to a $500,000 tax expense in 2025. The tax benefit was driven by Section 179D energy efficiency deductions and discrete items related to stock-based compensation. So on the bottom line, net income increased 82% to $8.5 million, 96% when normalized or $0.55 per diluted share on a GAAP basis compared to $4.7 million or $0.32 per diluted share in the prior year. And again, adjusted earnings per share increased 44% to $0.91 per share this quarter compared to $0.63 a year ago. Earnings were very good with solid growth and improving margins in what historically has been our weakest quarter of the year.

Turning to cash flow and the balance sheet on Slide 12. Cash flow used in operating activities was $24 million in the quarter compared to a positive $3 million in the prior year. On a trailing 12-month basis, cash flow from operations was a positive $52 million, which would have been $18 million higher should one client have paid us 2 weeks earlier. From a free cash flow perspective, we used approximately $1.71 per share in the quarter but generated $2.81 per share on a trailing 12-month basis.

We continue to expect strong cash flows from operations, aided by the carryforward of $28 million in deferred tax assets on our balance sheet generated by the 179D deductions and other incentives to offset future tax liabilities well into 2027 and beyond. On a long-term basis, we would expect free cash flow to exceed 70% of our adjusted EBITDA on an annual basis. We ended the quarter with $28 million of unrestricted cash to net against the $48 million outstanding under our term loan, resulting in a 0.2x leverage ratio of net debt to adjusted EBITDA over the trailing 12 months. There were no borrowings outstanding on our $100 million revolving credit facility at the end of the quarter.

But subsequent to year-end or quarter end, we drew $30 million on the revolver to fund a portion of the Burton acquisition, which would increase the leverage ratio to 0.6x. Given our expected earnings for the remainder of the year, we would expect the revolver to be fully repaid by year-end and continue to provide us low leverage and high liquidity with significant expansion capacity under the $100 million revolver and the $50 million delayed draw term loan facility to support continued organic growth and strategic acquisitions. Turning to Slide 13. Last year, we exceeded our long-held goal of delivering adjusted EBITDA in excess of 20% of net revenue.

Based on our recent performance and the underlying drivers in the business, including improved productivity, favorable revenue mix and additional operating leverage, we are now raising our long-term margin goal to expect the adjusted EBITDA to net revenues margin to be in the high 20s. We'll continue to focus on the volume, productivity and cost control efforts required to achieve that goal as we continue to grow the business. Now to Slide 14. Based on our strong start of the year, we're raising our full year 2026 financial targets. I'll note that the increase in guidance is roughly double the Q1 beat plus the expected contribution of Burton, reflecting the strength of our core business.

We now expect net revenues to be in the range of $410 million to $425 million, adjusted EBITDA in the range of $100 million to $105 million and adjusted diluted earnings per share between $4.90 and $5.05. This outlook assumes approximately 15.9 million diluted shares outstanding at year-end and a 0% effective tax rate for the year, reflecting the higher expected pretax income and reduced estimates of discrete tax benefits derived from stock compensation. And on Slide 15. It was a strong start to FY '26, fueling our optimism for continued growth and expanding margins. The acquisition of Burton a few days ago further fuels that optimism, expanding our addressable markets and creating numerous opportunities for collaboration and cross-selling.

We continue to enjoy low leverage and high liquidity even after this investment, and we are raising our guidance and increasing our goal for adjusted EBITDA margins. It was a good quarter. Operator, we're now ready to take questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Craig Irwin with ROTH Capital Partners.

Craig Irwin: Congratulations on a strong quarter here. Mike, I wanted to start off the top by asking if you could help us with maybe a little bit more color on why your fundamental profitability levels are going up, right? You're raising your base EBITDA guidance targets and raising your guidance for this year on that as well. Clearly, there's things that are working for you. I know you've had a number of initiatives internally at the company to improve profitability. We're also seeing an environment where reserve margins are likely to fall. So your customers will look pretty desperate to stop brownouts and other problems that you prevent with your services. How would you help us understand what the opportunity is?

And is this really just a first step? Is there potential room in the future for this number to keep moving higher?

Michael Bieber: Yes, Craig. If you look back 5 years ago, we wouldn't have thought this possible. But we're performing very well, and we've got a lot of confidence that we'll be able to get this into the high 20s. If you just model out our guidance for this year, we'll be potentially north of 24% already this year. So there's really 4 things that are driving it. Number 1 is growth and back office cost absorption. We've been able to control costs as we grow the business, especially on the back office at a fraction of the rate of the growth rate of the company. So that's number 1. We need to keep growing.

Number 2, you're right, energy demand plays a part in this. The price of energy is going up. Resources are becoming more constrained. So the value of our services are going up to those customers who need us. The third is probably that we've moved up the value chain. We've got a much more differentiated set of services that we provide compared to 5 years ago. And that continues to go in the right direction. The last thing is probably the percentage of commercial work. The state and local tends to be the lowest margin opportunity.

And when that was almost 50% of the business several years ago, there just wasn't that kind of opportunity to grow north of 20% and now there is. With, I'll call it, a balanced portfolio of the 3 customer groups and commercial being 25% now, we have the opportunity to drive margins. Those customers tend to want the solution immediately like yesterday, but they are willing to pay for that, unlike government customers that take a little more modest approach to schedules. So those are the 4 things driving it. And we think this reset of expectations for margins is very achievable. We're going to make good progress on that this year.

Craig Irwin: Fantastic. So I wanted to ask about APG and the setup that you have providing services building power blocks primarily for data centers. This business, you've talked about it growing extremely quickly, potentially doubling this year. Is there any update or any color you can give us on specific wins in there, new customers, diversification? What should we look for over the next couple of quarters as you scale that business?

Michael Bieber: That has been a good acquisition. They are doing outstanding. Yes, they're going to more than double. They might even approach tripling this year. They're just performing outstanding. And it's already work we've won and are executing, and we're really looking towards the pipeline of '27 and '28 right now. The biggest thing driving that is a few big power blocks for large data centers. Those tend to be confidential projects. So that's why you haven't seen them announced.

But the biggest project that APG has going and what's going to drive the next couple of quarters for them and really most of the year is a very large data center located in the Southwestern United States, where we're providing the substation, essentially, the interconnect and all of the power blocks. So there are several more projects in the pipeline that look just like that. They've also diversified. They were the ones that won the battery storage project down in Puerto Rico. So they do that type of work. That's good as well. It's been very good. Mount SAC was a great collaboration. We announced that project. That was with the rest of Willdan.

It's been one of the most synergistic acquisitions that we've made because of their level of collaboration with the rest of the company.

Craig Irwin: Excellent. Last question, if I may. Amber and her team at E3 have incredible visibility on demand, demand for services like Willdan's and the overall outlook for CapEx for utilities and commercial infrastructure for power. It's interesting that you guys are buying Burton that you've tucked them into the team. And obviously, this is something similar in character to the core of your business. Do you see the Northwest as maybe a new frontier for Willdan, something that could potentially be as interesting or as substantial as your work on the West Coast and the East Coast, where you generate quite a large portion of your revenue?

Michael Bieber: I don't -- I wouldn't really focus on the Northwest so much as that happened to be a study of all of the Western states, the Northwest being a particular focus area. It also covered California. It was a regional study that we did. So we just pointed that out as new data that all points to what we're seeing across the country, which is that the demand for electricity is increasing. In some cases, we're not keeping up with that demand. So CapEx is going to have to go up substantially. How do you do that in an equitable way without raising rates? Rates are going up across the country.

And so it's a complex equation that's happening all across the United States. I wouldn't single out the Northwest more than in other places, though.

Craig Irwin: Well, that's good to hear, it's broad-based. Congrats on another solid quarter. I'll hop back in the queue.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll go next to Tim Moore with Clear Street.

Timothy Michael Moore: Very impressive EBITDA growth and margin in the seasonally low quarter despite one last week last year. And despite probably not benefiting from the Los Angeles Water & Power award yet, I enjoyed your head fake of conservative guidance in late February. Can you just update us maybe on the timing or visibility for maybe when the Los Angeles Water & Power contract might kick in? I mean that's quite a large contract, I don't know, maybe $16 million of gross revenue a quarter run rate. Any visibility on when that might start? And is that part of your recent guidance upgrade?

Michael Bieber: It didn't really drive the guidance upgrade that much. We had a very small contribution in Q1, but we did have revenue for the first time in a while. That's going to increase pretty substantially in Q2, but it's still a small number. We have bigger expectations for the back half of this year. I would characterize it as sort of the first inning of a ball game. We're ramping up the program. Every week is better than the previous. In addition to all that ramp-up, though, there are some future opportunities we hope to share with the group that may drive that contract even larger. We haven't nailed that down yet, but the customer is discussing those with us.

So the ball is rolling. It's not driving current results nor did it really drive the upgrade of our forecast, but we think there may be more to come there.

Timothy Michael Moore: That's very helpful color. To have that in your back pocket and it seems like it will be more of a contributor for next calendar year as it ramps up and maybe play some catch-up on that 5-year contract. Just switching gears. If you can maybe just share a little color on how many months did you evaluate or negotiate maybe the Burton Energy Group? And maybe if you can just provide a little color on your acquisition funnel. I mean you have so much liquidity and barely any net debt. It seems like you could absorb a few more acquisitions over the coming quarters. Just any thoughts on that?

I know you're still really focusing a bit more on the commercial side for targets?

Michael Bieber: Well, Burton was extremely deliberate in their discussions with us. It took a long time. We were in detailed discussions with them for, I'm thinking, I don't know, 7 or 8 months, something like that, took a long time, and we got to the right spot. So we're very pleased with the Burton deal. We had known that company for more than 10 years. And when they decided that they wanted to make a move and potentially sell the company, they called us, in fact, even though we had known them. So we very much appreciate them for doing that. We've respected Burton for a long time.

And sometimes what happens with our teaming partners and people we're working with out in the industry, they know what we're after. And when the time is right, sometimes we get that call and they come to us. That's what happened with Burton. And it's characteristic of something we're also seeing in our pipeline. We're one of the few strategic buyers out there in this marketplace. We're competing with a lot of private equity that often will pay more. And some of these groups that we're working with won't sell to private equity at any price. They want to go with a strategic partner like Willdan. And so that makes us a buyer of choice.

And if you look at our pipeline right now of what we're evaluating for the back half of the year and into next year, that's the case. I'd point to the same focus areas that we've had. Electrical engineering is hard to find. It's also very expensive. It's being bid up. But boy, we'd sure like to have it. And the success we've had in electrical engineering with APG demonstrates that we're willing to move into that space. Commercial, more commercial would be helpful. We're looking at that in our core services, but we're getting to a point where that's more balanced with the other areas. And the front end of our business is still undersized.

We would love to have more science and front-end evaluation work, more data analytics, more software, very differentiated solutions, we're looking there as well. So those are still 3 of the focus areas.

Timothy Michael Moore: That's great, Mike. And I think you kind of beat me a little bit to my next question. I'm just trying to think about what you would maybe -- you and Kim think about maybe as a limiter to organic growth. I mean, you mentioned all the states you're in. I mean you're definitely largely in California and New York, and you got some Florida and Texas and some other good scale. I mean there's just high demand for what you offer, and you're really the go-to consultants and experts on this, especially with E3 and everything else you have.

Is there any kind of limitation now on really accepting more large contracts that would start in the next 12 months?

Michael Bieber: We always hate to say that labor is going to limit our ability to grow organically. And I don't think it is in a big area. There are some niches where we're hiring. And we're looking for people, just go to our website. That area around APG, our electrical engineering and construction management that's very specialized there needs to significantly increase its workforce. But I wouldn't say it's a constraint point at this point. Would you?

Creighton Early: No, I don't see that as a constraint. And the pipeline of opportunities that our various business units are pursuing is pretty robust. So I don't see a cap on what that potential might be. But when you're dealing with large programs and large projects, timing is everything and exactly predicting how that and when that might occur is more difficult. But we don't have a limitation on resources or even supply chain at this point that really is going to limit that potential.

Timothy Michael Moore: That's really good granularity. That's it for my questions. Congratulations on all the terrific progress.

Operator: And this now concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mike Bieber for closing comments.

Michael Bieber: Great. Well, thank you for your interest in Willdan, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.