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Wynn Resorts Ltd  (NASDAQ:WYNN)
Q3 2018 Earnings Conference Call
Nov. 07, 2018, 4:30 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Welcome to the Wynn Resorts Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. All participants are on listen-only until the question-and-answer session of today's conference. (Operator Instructions) This call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time.

I will now turn the line over to Craig Billings, Chief Financial Officer. Sir, you may begin.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. On the call today, with me in Las Vegas, are Matt Maddox and Maurice Wooden. Also on the line are Ian Coughlan, Ciaran Carruthers, Frederic Luvisutto, and Bob DeSalvio. I want to remind you that we may make forward-looking statements under Safe Harbor federal securities laws, and those statements may or may not come true.

I will now turn the call over to Matt Maddox.

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Thanks, Craig, and welcome everyone. Before we get started today talking about the quarter, I want to take a few minutes and just lay out why we are very excited about the future of Wynn Resorts in the next two to three years. First, I'd like to start in Boston. We were there recently, I was there recently, and we have 200 people on staff right now and we're about to hire 4,000 more and open a $2.6 billion integrated resort in the heart of the Boston Metroplex in less than eight months. And some of the major issues that we're dealing with the management team are how are we going to control the crowd and how we're going to control the traffic to make sure that the Five-Star experience, the people expect from Encore Boston Harbor will be delivered. It's a property that's about to open, it will provide step function growth in EBITDA. We're really excited about it, and we hope all of you will be able to join us in eight months for the opening of that property.

Moving to Macau. First, I'd like to congratulate the government of Macau for how the Typhoon was handled this summer. Not only were they very well prepared by in the aftermath and the cleanup, it was flawless. We as a company, our 13,000 employees, and I know the entire community greatly appreciated it.

And when we take a look back at what Macau has wanted to accomplish, since 2002 when it brought in the new operators. Wynn was brought in as the innovator, as a progressive company that's not going to compete with roughly texture or copying other people, but it's going to be new and interesting, and that's what we've delivered. $7 billion worth of investment there since we've started. We have choreographed dancing fountains in front of both of our hotels. We have a prosperity tree that has been a tourist attraction coming out of the ground with a chandeliers falling from the ceiling that everyone in Macau and tourist constantly go to see and it's one of the most photoed opportunities in Macau. And those innovations are part of the DNA of this company. It's why we were chosen, and it's what we are going to continue to do.

As we've talked about this year, we've been working on how we are going to grow in Macau and continue to innovate, because we believe it is the best place on the planet to invest in the integrated resort business. We have a 7-acre parcel next to Wynn Palace, it's right by the new Lisboa project and we've been working very hard on what could come next. And what we have so far is a 1.5 million square foot facility that we think will be a must see in Macau. The podium level which we're calling the Crystal Pavilion is a large glass structure that's going to house lots of nongaming features. In fact, some of the public entertainment attractions will be all around the Crystal Pavilion. We have a 60-foot gong spire hanging in the center of it with Acrobat on cables going up and down, lightly playing the gong.

As you traverse through the pavilion, you'll run into a theater, and this theater is really going to be the first of its kind. We got idea from it, actually, when we were at the Vatican. The Vatican launched a Michelangelo program with a theater. It took an old theater, 1,500-feet theater, and created an immersive experience with screens on the walls and on the ceiling. So the audience had a 270 degree experience, including live entertainment on the stage. It's been quite successful.

So we thought, if we take that idea and custom build it in this area with a great 600-feet hotel, I mean, 600-feet theater and make it fully immersive, that that experience will be like no other on the planet. We actually have three shows that we're working on right now and these won't be long hour and half shows, there'll be more like 45 minute vignette playing throughout the day, and we think that everybody is going to want to come and experience this immersive theater.

Now connected to the Crystal Pavilion. We know one thing for certain, Wynn Palace needs more hotel rooms. In order to get Wynn Palace to go from where it is today and zoom over $1 billion in EBITDA, we need 3,000 hotel rooms. So on the seven acre site, where we currently contemplated in design 671 room, all-suite hotel connected to the Crystal Pavilion, with the bridge going over to the Lisboa Palace.

In addition, on the North four acre parcel, we're working on a 700 room all-suite hotel, that will connect and to the north side of Wynn Palace, which will take that property from 1,700 hotel rooms to over 3,000, which is really where we needed to be. We're very excited about the future of Macau. We have a lot of great things. We plan on presenting this concept in the next couple of months, working through 2019 on the permitting, finalizing the design, getting everything together and beginning construction in 2020.

Moving to Las Vegas. In Las Vegas we have the marquee asset on the strip, and one of the things that we decided was that we really need to take what we have here and add some new things, freshen it up. So in the next three days, actually, we're opening Wynn Plaza, Cipriani will be opening, the first in Las Vegas, Earth Cafe will be opening the first in Las Vegas, SoulCycle will be opening this weekend, a first in Las Vegas along with many other retailers. It's a retail and lifestyle complex that we think will be very unique.

We've also been working on two new restaurant concepts that we will be implementing in 2019, and these concepts are going to be higher energy than what we have right now, it's really for the customers, they want to go to dinner, but they're not quite wanting to go to the nightclub after or to bed, they want to keep hanging out. So we have some great concepts that we're working on now in -- for Las Vegas in 2019. So I have five new restaurants over 50,000 square feet of additional retail that will be opening. And then at the end of 2019 -- at the beginning of January 2020, we'll be opening a 400,000 square foot convention center here. It's 200,000 square foot of net rentable space, coming basically in 12 months.

We believe that, that convention center will add somewhere between four to six points of occupancy to this hotel, which will allow us to really drive rates in those peak times, because we will have, we will be in the low- to mid-90s in occupancy over the full of 365 days.

So we have a lot going on in Las Vegas. From new restaurants, new retail and additional convention center coming on board, all in the next 12 to 18 months. But as for the rest of the development here in Las Vegas. In early 2016, we held an Analyst Day and we announced a project called Paradise Park, that project is -- was over $3 billion, looking at it today with construction costs, and it included the convention center that we are building right now.

From April 2016 to today, we always struggled with Phase 2 of Paradise Park. How are we going to make a room tower in a town with a lot of rooms, pencil along with the lagoon, because we weren't really interested in building a large public swimming pool for the Las Vegas Strip. So we just decided, let's go with Phase 1, we know the convention center is going to work. It's what Wynn Las Vegas paid and let's continue to grind on Phase 2, the rest of this golf course development.

Earlier this year our optionality in Las Vegas changed. When we purchased 38 acres of land on the strip. A far superior site to the off strip location of the golf course. So what we've done is we actually went back and reengage Tom Fazio, who is the original designer of our golf course to come in and take a look at the couple holes that were disrupted by this 400,000 square foot convention center and see if we can design a new 18 hole golf course connected to Wynn in Encore and have that back in action before our convention center opens. The design of that is complete, the work has commenced, and the golf course will be restored and back in action by this time next year.

It's a great amenity for the resort. We actually, not only did we notice we lost 16,000 rounds of golf out there, 70% of which were cash, but we lost probably $10 million to $15 million worth of domestic casino business, people coming in for golf trips, they have decided to go elsewhere. So now that we have the 38 acres of land on the strip to develop the next great thing for Las Vegas. We can put our golf course back in as an amenity for the 10 million square feet and the 4,700 rooms that we have here.

For the 38 acres of land, we are just beginning the design and development of that, it takes at least two years to get through properly, what a new integrated resort on the Las Vegas Strip that's going to be innovative and progressive and drive new customers to this location, which I know that we can do. But it's going to take two years of design and development for that project, and we will be commencing that in 2019, the design and development program.

So our future is really bright over the next three years from opening Boston in June of next year to all of the things we have going on at Wynn Las Vegas right now, which we are going to capitalize on the marquee asset that exist today. The future opportunity in Macau that we're working on and hoping to be in the ground in 2020 in the 38 acres of land here in Las Vegas. So our management team in Macau, in Boston, and in Las Vegas are very excited about everything that we have to do over the next three to five years.

Turning to the quarter, Macau results were strong. We were happy with $409 million of EBITDA, however, we did have about $20 million of high hold in that period. But even at $390 million, it was a good quarter. And in the third quarter, $390 million, we were happy with it. But what we've seen recently has been more murky. So October Golden Week as everyone was reported quite strong. We're really happy with it. We had double the average EBITDA that we would get during that week. But since Golden Week, we've noticed that during the mid week it's been quite choppy and the weekend's have been sporadic, we can have one big weekend, maybe one or two days or big as opposed to all three. And so what we've seen post Golden Week has been a slowdown. And we've seen it in particular in the premium end of the business, premium mass, premium slots and VIP. And that is where the vast majority of our EBITDA comes from. So what we've always focused on in our business is the premium end and we always will. Because in Macau, while that will be the first to retract in these times, it's also the first to expand as you come out of these, slow downs, so what we're experiencing right now, I think that the fourth quarter will end up in the neighborhood of $3.3 million a day to roughly $3.7 million a day, really just watching day-by-day and looking forward in the next 90 days as to liquidity customers who's coming and what we're seeing. We do not anticipate losing share in our segments. But we do think that the premium end of the market is feeling softer and that's our expectation for the fourth quarter.

Moving to Las Vegas, $95 million of EBITDA, not acceptable. We had $10 million on hold related, so even at $105 million of EBITDA, that's the normalized EBITDA for where we would have come out. And really the story in Las Vegas was all about baccarat. So all of our segments on the hotel front, we're in line with our expectations, except casino. We were down about 11,000 room nights over last year and 8,500 of those came in the casino. And the casino block was off approximately $6 million in revenue, which makes up almost all of the miss compared to last year.

So we know that a few of the players who bounce around town actually ended up at one of our competitors and we're beaten quite quickly, and I think if you look at the strip and look at an outlier you can probably see who that was -- that's temporary, that's just the nature of the baccarat business, I don't anticipate us losing any sharing fact, we'll continue to gain share.

However, as we've seen in the past, whether it was in 2003 with Stars and what happened in the VIP market in the recession in 2008 and 2009. In 2014, when we saw the premium in VIP market start to slow down globally, that always impacted Las Vegas as well. So until there's more clarity around what's going on in Asia in the premium business, we are remaining cautious on the baccarat market for Las Vegas going forward.

So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Craig Billings to provide some more color on the quarter.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thank you, Matt. As noted in our release, our Macau operations delivered $409.1 million of adjusted property EBITDA and $1.3 billion of operating revenues on the back of growth in VIP and Mass. With mass table win a particular highlight, increasing 36% year-over-year. In fact, over 70% of our departmental EBITDA in the quarter was generated a mass slots and non-gaming. We continue to diversify our business in Macau. While Macau's operations for the quarter were impacted by September's Typhoon related closure, the estimated EBITDA impact of the closure was offset by approximately $11 million of EBITDA in the quarter from the receipt of business interruption insurance proceeds related to 2017 Typhoon Hato. Our results in Macau were also positively impacted by VIP hold, as Matt mentioned, primarily at Wynn Palace increasing EBITDA from our Macau operations by approximately $20 million from a normalized level. Bad debt in Macau was $2.8 million in the quarter compared to a $600,000 credit in the prior year.

Our Las Vegas operations delivered $95.3 million of adjusted property EBITDA on the quarter, on net revenues of $398.9 million. Las Vegas held low during the quarter, negatively impacting EBITDA by almost $10 million. As the quarter developed, the property was increasingly impacted by marketwide clients in table revenues which also negatively impacted ADR, REVPAR and hotel revenues to the loss of higher ADR casino nights in the room base as Matt mentioned.

In addition, weather events also negatively impacted our nightclubs driving year-over-year declines in food and beverage revenues. In Boston, we incurred $193.3 million in total project cost during the quarter, taking the total spend to date to $1.83 billion. The property really looks great and we remain on track to open in June of 2019. We ended the quarter with total debt of $8.9 billion and total cash and investments of $1.9 billion, including $1.4 billion at Wynn Macau.

Subsequent to quarter end, Wynn Resorts Limited issued $500 million of term debt with the net proceeds to be used for general corporate purposes, CapEx and potential share repurchases. Consistent with our announcement earlier in the year, our quarterly dividend is $0.75 per share, returning over $81.5 million to the shareholders for the quarter. In light of the revised CapEx planning that Matt talked about, we anticipate generating meaningful cash flow after the opening of Encore Boston Harbor. We look forward to continuing to prudently reinvest in our business while returning excess capital to shareholders.

With that, we will now move to Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Joe Greff with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Joseph Greff -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Good afternoon, everybody. Matt, just with respect to your comments about what you're seeing in Macau here since Golden Week, I mean, we could probably surmised some of these comments, but what are you hearing from some of your players and what you're hearing from some of the junket operators as the drivers, and maybe this is sort of quixotic question, but are some of the reasons for this murkiness or choppiness, do you think they are temporary or do you think they are somewhat permanent?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Sure, Joe. So what I'd start with is that this does not feel like 2014. There is not a large credit bubble looming. As an example, we are generating roughly $120 billion of turnover annually between our two properties, which is the same that we were generating back in 2013 with one property. But the advances that we're making to our junket operators are less than half today that they were then.

So, in talking to the junket operators, I was there recently, and none of them feel like this is the 2014 credit bubble, that's going to pop, it really feels more macro. So what I would say to that is in the demand for our product and for Macau in China is insatiable. We are very big believers in the long term in Macau, and if there is a pullback for 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, not sure what it is, we've been through these. But we note that the underlying demand for this business is very strong. So again, I think, pullback is definitely temporary. The growth of Macau is up into the right, and we're well positioned to take advantage of that over the next five years.

Joseph Greff -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Okay. Great. And then, just maybe understand in this is environment the operating expense structure. Obviously, when we look at your historical results, we can see with variable expenses between gaming taxes and say junket commissions. With that other sort of third bucket of OpEx the non-gaming tax, the non-gaming commission. How much flex is there if revenues are flat or trending downwardly?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

No, Joe, I wouldn't assume that many operators could be going on an expense diet, given the current structure of labor, which is going to be continue increasing and the commissions and taxes.

Joseph Greff -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Great. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Carlo Santarelli with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Carlo Santarelli -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Hi, guys, good afternoon. Matt, when you think about the fourth quarter, and obviously with the results that you had in the third quarter. And some of the commentary that you made in the post Golden Week -- Golden Week did generally tends to be a period where the wings of it -- the period before and after could be a little bit softer. When you're referencing the $3.3 million to $3.7 million of property level, and I'm assuming that was a property level EBITDA per day is a good range for the fourth quarter, is that just more or less extrapolating, what you're seeing kind of month-to-date with the tail post Golden Week kind of run out through the end of the year or is there something else that's kind of influencing how you're kind of getting to that range?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Sure, Carlo. So just to be clear that $3.3 million to $3.7 million is for the full fourth quarter including Golden Week. And as we said, as I said earlier is, Golden Week was quite strong, but what we are experiencing mid-week and weekend -- mid weeks been soft and weekends have been sporadic. So I don't want to get into forecasting what 2019 is going to look like. I think that's a market call. We feel very comfortable with our position, but that's what we're anticipating for the fourth quarter.

Carlo Santarelli -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Okay. And I guess just to follow up on that then, is some of the -- is the sporadic nature that you mentioned is that kind of across the board are you seeing that from VIP right through to your lower levels of mass or is that just more of a VIP and maybe bleeding in the premium mass?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

It's VIP and premium business. The grain business actually continues to grow. So we are seeing our main floor business doing well, and the premium business it will grow and that is where you always want to invest in this industry. But we're seeing a little bit of a contraction right now.

Carlo Santarelli -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Understood. And then just if I could one follow-up. As you talked about the two towers on the wings of Wynn Palace. Could you kind of give us a ballpark estimate for how you're thinking about what CapEx would look like for the entirety of what you're doing there over the next several years acknowledging this is going to be a multi-year process?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

It's really too early, we will be providing more detailed CapEx estimates in 2019. But the one certainty is Wynn Palace need more hotel rooms. On the weekends, we can accommodate all the customers that we need and we need to find a way to get to 3,000 hotel rooms and create what will be the tourist destination in Macau with our Crystal Pavilion.

Carlo Santarelli -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Understood. Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Our next question comes from Felicia Hendrix with Barclays. Your line is open.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks a lot. Hi, Matt, and Ian too. I know in this kind of environment, I know you're not going to get promotional to stimulate demand because that's never been how you guys operate, but is there a concern that the market will as everyone starts to get -- fight or compete for lower volumes with demand?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Ian, I'll let you take that one.

Ian Coughlan -- President, Wynn Macau, Limited

Sure. In general, the competitors have been very measured about periods of downturns either liquidity driven, policy driven. So we don't get that knee-jerk reaction we used to see six years or seven years ago. And certainly, there's been a lot of stimulation in the junket market, you've had seven new junket rooms opened in more on the horizon over the next 12 months, particularly in Cotai, and that does tend to drive bigger profit share for the junkets that makes it hyper competitive. It's not a game, we play, we look at the long-term, but nothing on the mass side at this moment, and other than some of the new junket rooms that have opened that have increased their commissions and we haven't seen anything to be too concerned about.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

And Ian, as you're trying to kind of spread a bit of a lower base among the two properties, can you just talk about how that strategy might look in a bit of a slower period?

Ian Coughlan -- President, Wynn Macau, Limited

We'll just continue to operate the way we've always operated, we'll drive quality and leverage having the best product and service in the marketplace. We've been in the rodeo for 12 years. We go through these sporadic periods of volatility. And then we see extreme bursts of growth. So that's been in Macau for 12 years. We're not going to over steer one direction or the other. It's hard to look the whole way through 2019. I think what's the overlooked here is a good Golden Week has colored the two weeks post Typhoon Mangkhut when business fell off considerably, and that was a bellwether for the fourth quarter in my opinion. So we're seeing a lot of softness during the week and some reasonable weekends, we've had four weeks post Golden Week now to look at the business and it is soft.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And by the way, thanks everyone for all this transparency. I think it's very helpful. Craig, just switching gears, you guys you recently closed on a new $500 million term loan and the language in the 8-K lists repurchases of common stock is one of the uses of net proceeds from the capital raise.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

It does.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Yeah. And so -- in your prior call you indicated that dividends would be the preferred way to return cash, but you also said that in the case of stock are extremely cheap, you would hoover it up. So given everything that's going on -- given what's happened with your stock since the last quarter and probably what's going to happen now, I'm just wondering if you're pulling your vacuum out.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Sure. Yes, it does, you did see that. We have been pretty explicit about our capital return policies we do, we've had a stated preference for dividends, and I did say that if the stock got extremely cheap, we would buy it. When outlandish market narratives or to extreme market dislocation causes the stock to be really where we don't think it should be, then we'll back it with our own purchases.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Fair. And just to make sure I'm right, you still have a $1 billion on your authorization?

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

We do have $1 billion authorization, right.

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Okay. Great. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Next we'll go to Shaun Kelley with Bank of America.

Shaun Kelley -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Matt, you've already, I think alluded to this in some of your prepared remarks and also any answer to Joe's question a little bit, but could you just kind of characterize the customer behavior in terms of just breaking it down a little bit by spend per visit, and number of visit, it seems like this is largely just a kind of a contraction of confidence by the consumer, but can you just help us think about the consumer behavior a little bit more since that you've seen a soft patch.

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Yeah, I think you nailed it, the contraction of confidence is the way to look at it. When we look at our daily visitation to Wynn Palace, for example, it's roughly 20,000 people a day right now, In line with where it's been in the past. So we're not seeing a large fall off in visitation or the place feels really busy, it's really in the premium segment where there's been a slight contraction in confidence. And as everyone has been following this space for more than 10 years now, it's temporary, but it takes a little time to get that confidence back.

Shaun Kelley -- Bank of America -- Analyst

And then, I think you mentioned this as well, but just to clarify, I think you said -- you sort of expect your market share to remain consistent, is that -- was that the correct interpretation there, so this is really much more of a macro concern than what you're kind of seeing or market overall concern that anything specific to your customers?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Yes, I mean we've been fairly consistent between 15% and 17% market share. As you've witnessed in the second quarter, we were a little lower because one of our competitors downtown opened a new junket room and flooded with liquidity, and we lost some customers, and it was very temporary. That could happen in a quarter in 2019 when some of our competitors are opening new junket rooms. But over a 12-month period, we do not anticipate that we will lose any market share.

Shaun Kelley -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Harry Curtis with Instinet Nomura. Your line is open.

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

Hello, everyone. Matt, you made some comments about land on the strip and how that was a preferential spot to develop. Can you give us a sense of what your timing is on that any time soon?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

No, I think I said in my opening statement that we're just beginning the design development of that area, and it takes two years to really properly think through what is going to be the next great thing for Las Vegas. We're just launching that process and we'll be doing it through '19 and '20 to really determine what's going to be the next great thing for this market.

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

The reason I ask is, because you also comment that you're on the cusp once you open in Boston generating some significant free cash flow well, and it would seem to me -- and I don't know where the stock's going to be in six months or 12 months or 18 months. But can you -- what sort of returns on invested capital are you going to need to see investing in the strip versus your stock?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Sure, I understand the question. Again, we are investing in Las Vegas right now, we have new restaurant opening, and new convention center opening, the golf course will be reopening. And you're right on the free cash flow point, once Boston opens in eight months, large scale capital deployment will not be occurring until a couple of years later, just because of the construction cycle. So we're in that full design and development mode for what we want to build in Macau and we're at the beginning of that process here in Las Vegas.

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

Thank you. And then, switching to Macau, it looks to me like you gained share and volume in the third quarter on the VIP side, but you lost it in mass, which was the inverse of what I would have expected. Can you give us a sense of why that happened and is that continuing as we look into the end of the fourth quarter?

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Harry, I'm -- our overall market share including slots was over 17%, 17.4%. So, and looking at the various segments, we were not losing share.

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

Well, OK. The reason -- it's important to me anyway is because if you're at least as during the third quarter you gained share in VIP with a lower margin, but you lost share in mass that -- might that have an impact on our EBITDA margins going forward.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

No, Harry, like we said in the prepared remarks, our mass business is doing quite well. Matt referenced the state of the premium consumer post Golden Week, not only in his prepared remarks, but in all of the Q&A. We anticipate holding margin in the near term as really the increase in the proportion of mass offsets any operating deleverage that may come from lower volumes on the premium side.

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

All right, Well, let me follow up with you guys, thanks.

Operator

And next we'll go to Stephen Grambling with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Stephen Grambling -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Hey, thanks. I just, first of on Las Vegas, I guess what's the customer overlap in your Las Vegas baccarat business with Macau. Is there any change in behavior from those that do overlap?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

As I mentioned in my opening statement that what we've seen in the past is when there is a slowdown in the premium market globally or in Asia, in particularly Macau and you're seeing it somewhat in Singapore, that the baccarat market in Las Vegas also experiences somewhat of the slowdown.

Stephen Grambling -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

And then, I guess if you look out for Vegas into 2019, I mean any initial reads on how your thinking about how that year -- how the year is based on what you're seeing? Thanks.

Ian Coughlan -- President, Wynn Macau, Limited

Sure, no problem. So on the group side, we're fine. When we look out to 2019, Matt alluded to the softness in Q3 on the baccarat side and we're watching that day-by-day as you just said, it's a global question. And so could that impact Q4 and then into into 2019, certainly it could. So a little too early to talk about anything beyond that.

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Yeah, our Group business is that-80% booked right now. Revenues about 85% booked for next year, so Group feels fine.

Stephen Grambling -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Great. Thanks. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Our last question comes from Cameron Mcknight with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Cameron Mcknight -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks very much.

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Hi, Cameron.

Cameron Mcknight -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

So Matt, in terms of the development of the 38 acres on the strip, I mean given the difficulty that the strips are in the third quarter. Do you think that the strip can absorb additional hot supply here?

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Cameron, we don't plan our business which grows in five-year increments with these properties based on one quarter. So what we're doing is we're starting the design development of the 38 acres, which will take 24 months to get through what it is that we think is going to grow this market. So we're going to be staring at 2021 in terms of here's a new project that we're really excited about and should we move forward.

The best days for Las Vegas are ahead of us. We have the raiders coming here. We have a massive expansion of our convention facility. There is no other place on the planet where you can have 150,000 hotel rooms within three miles to host what will be the biggest events on the planet. So we are long-term believers in Las Vegas and we're going to work over the next two years to determine what it's going to take to move the needle.

Cameron Mcknight -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Perfect, thanks. And then a follow-up if I could. In terms of the $3.3 million to $3.7 million of EBITDA per day in the fourth quarter, could you give us a sense of -- is that roughly the level that business is tracked that post Golden Week. And can you give us a sense of the drop off that you've seen from from Golden Week to post Golden Week?

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Hi, Cameron, it's Craig. So as Matt mentioned earlier that's inclusive of Golden Week. And we -- as we indicated we had a pretty strong Golden Week. So, Golden Week, does increase that number. We're not going to provide anything beyond the $3.3 million to $3.7 million.

Cameron Mcknight -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Okay, understood. Thanks very much.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And I'll now turn it back over to our host for final remarks.

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Thank you for joining us today, and have a great day.

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thanks, bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Duration: 40 minutes

Call participants:

Craig Billings -- Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Matt Maddox -- Director, Chief Executive Officer and President

Joseph Greff -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Carlo Santarelli -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Felicia Hendrix -- Barclays -- Analyst

Ian Coughlan -- President, Wynn Macau, Limited

Shaun Kelley -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Harry Curtis -- Instinet, LLC -- Analyst

Stephen Grambling -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Cameron Mcknight -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

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