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GCI Liberty, Inc.  (GLIBA)
Q3 2018 Earnings Conference Call
Nov. 08, 2018, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the GCI Liberty 2018 Q3 Earnings Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, November 8th.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtnee Chun, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Courtnee Chun -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you. Before we begin, we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of '95, including statements about business strategies, market potential, stock repurchases, future financial performance, matters relating to the Universal Service Administrative Co. and Rural Health Care Program, the Alaskan recessions, market and regulatory conditions, new service, system and product launches and other matters that are not historical facts. These forward-looking statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements, including without limitation possible changes in market acceptance of the products and services, the availability of acquisition opportunities, competitive issues, regulatory issues and continued access to capital on terms acceptable from the GCI Liberty.

These forward-looking statements speak only as the date of this call and GCI Liberty expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in GCI Liberty's expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based.

On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted OIBDA, the required definitions and reconciliations, including preliminary note and Schedules 1,2,3 can be found in the press release issued today, which is available on our website.

This call also may include certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding Liberty Broadband. These forward-looking statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call and Liberty Broadband expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in Liberty Broadband's expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based.

Now, I'd like to turn the call over to GCI Liberty President and CEO, Greg Maffei.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Courtnee, and thank you all you out there this afternoon for joining us today. Speaking on the call, besides myself, we'll have GCI Liberty's CFO, Mark Carleton, GCI's CFO, Pete Pounds. During the Q&A session, which follows, we will be available to answer questions about Liberty Broadband as well as GCI Liberty.

So starting at GCI Liberty. During the quarter, we initiated share repurchase at GCI Liberty and from the period of August 1st through October 31st, we repurchased over $50 million worth of stock. We're doing this to take advantage of, what we call, the double discount on Charter, assuming a full discount to Liberty Broadband and GCI Liberty and you look through to where Charter is trading, the discount is in the low 20% range. And when you look at the Charter, look to price as of today's close, it was about $260 a share of Charter, so we consider pretty attractively buying GCI Liberty at these prices.

Looking at GCI itself and you'll hear more from Pete Pounds on this in a minute, they continue to execute on their strategy of driving operating and cost synergies, while expanding and improving coverage in the Alaska region. Notably during the quarter, they completed the migration to their new billing system.

Looking over at Liberty Broadband itself and our ownership in that, I'd like to start by taking ourselves a few levels and reviewing why we are like Charter and what the investment thesis is behind it. Charter is the only pure play scale cable operator. The integration of the businesses of Charter, Time Warner and Bright House is quickly moving behind them and they have an ability to grow penetration very cost efficiently from here. They continue to drive high speed data at attractive prices with an opportunity I suspect to take price as time moves on. The video story, which has been declining for years, is less relevant to their future free cash flow and EBITDA, but we remain optimistic we'll be able to do things to stabilize it.

We do intend to exploit our extensive network through the introduction of an attractive incremental wireless service. CapEx, we expect to come down meaningfully in 2019 and beyond with free cash flow growing commensurately. Longer term, we believe, Charter to have the most attractive in CapEx profile in the business. Combine that with leverage and the free cash flow story that it is with a significant equity share shrink, this is what Liberty likes to invest in and we are very optimistic about the long-term story.

In the latest quarter, Charter did continue to execute further on all the above elements and if you listen to their conference call, you can hear some of that et cetera they had.

With that, let me turn it over to Mark Carleton to discuss the financials of GCI Liberty in some more detail.

Mark Carleton -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Greg. At quarter-end, GCI Liberty got consolidated cash of $690 million, which includes $42 million of cash at GCI, the value of the public equity securities at GCI Liberty as of today's close was $6.2 billion, which includes our $1.7 billion interest in Charter, $3.6 billion interest in Liberty Broadband, and around $900 million interest in LendingTree. GCI Liberty has a $1 billion margin loan outstanding against its Liberty Broadband shares.

At quarter-end, GCI Liberty had a total principal amount of debt of $3.1 billion, which includes the aforementioned margin loan to Charter exchangeable debentures and $1.6 billion of debt, including capital leases and tower obligations at GCI. GCI's leverage as defined in its credit agreement was 5.3 times compared to a maximum of allowable leverage of 5.95 times. One point as noted in the 10-Q, GCI exceeded the maximum leverage threshold in terms of its senior notes. So we are restricted on additional debt incurrence currently. However, we have sufficient resources given our liquidity at corporate to fund all the business opportunities we've got on-board.

And, with that, I'll welcome Mr. Pete Pounds, GCI's CFO, to talk about GCI operations.

Pete Pounds -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Mark. Well, first, I'll start with three material updates. First of all, Rural Health Care. As we noted in our press release on October 10th, we've received a letter from the Wireline Competition Bureau of the FCC reducing our Rural Health Care funding by approximately $28 million or 26% for the year ended June 30, 2018. We disagree with this and will pursue all available remedies. If this decision stands, we may be left with no choice but to narrow our focus in rural areas to meeting our maintenance obligations and the obligations of federal programs.

This would pivot our future business investments to urban areas where the rules are more reliable. The impact of this decisions on the financials is that all quarters of the 2017 funding year shown in the press release have been updated to include reductions in revenues, operating income and adjusted OIBDA of approximately $7 million per quarter. The restated prior quarter pro forma figures can be found in Schedule 3 of our earnings release. In the absence of any new information, we will continue to adjust our financials in a similar manner for the 2018 funding year, which ends June 30, 2019.

Billing system upgrade: We completed our billing system conversion in the third quarter. As expected, we encountered a few issues that have been fixed and there are still a few outstanding issues to work through. However, this new system will allow us to generate efficiencies and serve customers faster and better. There was a one-time revenue, operating income and adjusted OIBDA hit of approximately $4 million that we took as we moved from bill in arrears to bill in advance on certain services. We elected not to have the first bill from the new system result in a double bill to our customers.

The Alaska economy: We continue to see and hear signs of an economy that's going to exit the current recession. Oil prices have been consistently at or above $60 per barrel, leading to increased development on the North Slope. Unemployment numbers for Anchorage, in particular, are improving; and this week selection was good for the business climate in Alaska with the rejection of Proposition 1, which would have hampered development and the election of Governor Dunleavy, who we believe will offer a stable tax regime for further oil development. While I don't expect a robust recovery, I do expect us to exit the recession in the next quarter or two.

Operating results: All of my comments on results will be comparing Q3 2018 to Q3 2017, unless otherwise noted. Excluding the impact of the one-time billing system hit, pro forma operating income and adjusted OIBDA were flat on a year-over-year basis with declines in voice and video being offset by gains in our data product. While we have not yet seen the economic benefits of our new billing system, we expect to begin the silos (ph) in the coming quarters.

Consumer: Data revenues were up 7% on a year-over-year basis as our customers continued to upgrade their data plans. Wireless was down by 10%. However, most of the wireless decline was due to our choice not to double bill customers as we move from bill in arrears to bill in advance.

Business: Business revenues were down by 2% on a year-over-year basis with declines in wireless, roaming and voice being offset by gains in video and data. The video gains were primarily due to the political advertising for this week's election.

CapEx: Through the first nine months of the year, we invested $114 million in capital expenditures. The expenditures were primarily for wireless network improvements, fiber and HFC improvements and the new billing system. We remain on track to spend approximately $170 million in CapEx in 2018.

Now, I'll hand the call back over to Greg.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Mark; and thank you, Pete. As a reminder, those listening, we will be holding our Annual Investor Meeting on November 14th in New York and there will be videos. If you'd like to register and see the agenda, please use the link on our homepage. We appreciate your continued interest in GCI Liberty. And, with that, operator, I'd like to open the floor for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Certainly. (Operator Instructions) We'll go first to James Ratcliffe with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

James Ratcliffe -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. One at GCI and one for GCI Liberty, if I could. On the GCI front, Pete, I'm just want to make sure I understand the RHC price reduction, that's a straight out price reduction, so it comes at $21 million -- $28 million essentially comes off of the EBITDA line. And in the release, in your commentary, you talked about narrowing your activities, if you do do that, how much cost would come out as well, so essentially what's the EBITDA improvement potential if you do end up nearing activities given this price regime?

And for regarding GCI Liberty, Greg, if you could just talk about further capital return prospects and if there are options to -- you continue to buy back stock and if there's anything governing that? Thanks.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Why don't you go first?

Pete Pounds -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. So first on the $28 million hit, those are services that we already provided during the year ended June 30, 2018. And so a reduction in revenue doesn't change anything with the cost structure, so it is a dollar for dollar dropping from revenue to OIBDA there. In terms of the narrowing of our focus, we don't really have any comments at this point on any magnitude of changes there.

James Ratcliffe -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Just a follow-up, does this price increase also applied to the -- of the 2018 to 2019 -- decrease in part of the 2018 to 2019 year as well?

Tina Pidgeon -- Senior Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer, General Counsel and Government Affairs

This is Tina Pidgeon. I'm GCI's General Counsel. And, at this point, that's our best guess at the relative similar effect in future years and we're doing some additional work to understand what the FCC's methodology actually is.

James Ratcliffe -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Great. And James, as I said, we did a little over $50 million in the quarter, we have more capacity with the cash flow we have at corporate. Obviously, we're somewhat reduced in our flexibility by the Rural Health Care reductions, but nonetheless with the available cash we have at corporate and the free cash flow that GCI will still generate. We have capacity and I would expect you will see the same kind of pace continue over the next several quarters.

James Ratcliffe -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Matthew Harrigan with Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.

Matthew Harrigan -- Buckingham Research Group -- Analyst

Well, thanks. Greg. I just echo in this morning (technical difficulty) pivoting to your investor persona from your executive persona, if your executive persona close inside the deal books. How do you feel about all seven valuations these days? Was there any rationale for the cable operator like Charter to own a selective sounds (ph) in particular market, is that pretty much by the way side when you look at the scale of these content companies these days? Thanks.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Matthew, I think RSN's are complicated assets, something that we Liberty have had a long history with. As you may recall, we helped Fox set up those originally, then we owned a series more when we did the exchange with Fox, we ended up owning 3 hours and that went with DIRECTV and eventually the AT&T. They are very interesting as local content and they're potentially interesting, I think, for a distributor, but they're also not without a substantial amount of risk both on what are the distribution can be achieved if you were to own RSN and what does the underlying contract look like with the baseball teams to sports teams involves primarily baseball. We are quite familiar with that on the other side, obviously it own the Braves and one of the more profitable RSN's out there, because of the nature of the contract we inherited when we bought the Braves from Time Warner is the sports out and sports out these RSN's largely because of what we would view as underpricing of the content cost.

So there are a lot of moving pieces in it. They said, I think it's something that at the right price can be helpful to distributor, but the moving pieces plus the longer-term trends are potentially the fact that inherent a lot of these RSNs is an overbuy. There are customers who are subscribed to that, who if they were given an a-la-carte choice would not choose to subscribe and that drove a lot of cable networks, but probably few as acutely priced as an RSN that may not appeal to as brought an audience, so you've got some risk around that, and you've got some risk that the OTT right still sit back at MLB or some other underlying leagues and as OTT grows that put further pressure on around a-la-carte in other way to distribute this product. So all of those, say, while these can be interesting businesses, there are ones that you would be cautious about what you would pay for them and what we would be very much dependent on, as I said distribution in the market potential and the underlying rights that you are purchasing.

Matthew Harrigan -- Buckingham Research Group -- Analyst

Thanks, Greg.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Mike Kerrane with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Michael Kerrane -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst

And just I wanted to follow-up question on the RHC Program funding. In Europe, in the press release you talk about pursuing all available remedies with the FCC. I'm just wondering if you could give us more color on what kind of remedies you can pursue and if there is any precedent that you can talk about there?

Tina Pidgeon -- Senior Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer, General Counsel and Government Affairs

This is Tina Pidgeon again, Mike, to address that question. Because the decision that was issued related to our rate was made at the staff level, we have appeal processes available to us to get a full commission review of that issue and that's the most immediate stuff that's in front of us right now.

Michael Kerrane -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst

Is there any kind of timing also you could talk about?

Tina Pidgeon -- Senior Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer, General Counsel and Government Affairs

The appeal is due 30 days after the letter was issued, so that would be tomorrow.

Michael Kerrane -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Tina Pidgeon -- Senior Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer, General Counsel and Government Affairs

And I can't really give any further color on what the FCC's timing is. I don't have -- there are no dates around that.

Michael Kerrane -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks for the help.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today will come from Luis Hernandez, a Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Luis Hernandez -- Private Investor -- Analyst

Yes. Hello. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. The first one is, I just wanted to have a sort of an idea of what is GCI's EBITDA for next year, maybe 2020 also, to have more -- a little visibility?

Mark Carleton -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. We haven't provided any guidance for out year OIBDA.

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

But I think we generally are not in the business of providing forward guidance, but ask investors to make their own judgment based on trends and other information that we've given. So thank you all for your questions and thank you for your interest in GCI Liberty. As I said, we look forward to seeing a number of you in New York next week. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Thank you. That will conclude today's conference. Thank you all once again for your participation and you may now disconnect.

Duration: 23 minutes

Call participants:

Courtnee Chun -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Greg Maffei -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Mark Carleton -- Chief Financial Officer

Pete Pounds -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

James Ratcliffe -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Tina Pidgeon -- Senior Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer, General Counsel and Government Affairs

Matthew Harrigan -- Buckingham Research Group -- Analyst

Michael Kerrane -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst

Luis Hernandez -- Private Investor -- Analyst

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