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CBS earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2019.

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CBS (PARA -0.09%)
Q1 2019 Earnings Call
May. 02, 2019, 4:30 p.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Good day, everyone, and welcome to the CBS Corporation first-quarter 2019 earnings release teleconference. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to the executive vice president of investor relations, Mr. David Bank.

Please go ahead.

David Bank -- Executive Vice President of Investor Relations

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our first-quarter 2019 earnings call. Joining us with today's remarks are Joe Ianniello, our president and acting CEO; Jim Lanzone, our chief digital officer and CEO of CBS Interactive; and Chris Spade, our chief financial officer. Following Joe, Jim and Chris' remarks, we'll open the call up to questions. Please note that during today's conference call, results will be discussed on an adjusted basis, unless otherwise specified.

Reconciliations for non-GAAP financial information related to this call can be found in our earnings release or on our website. Also note that statements on this conference call relating to matters, which are not historical facts, are forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. Risks and uncertainties are disclosed in CBS Corporation's SEC filings. A webcast of this call and the earnings release related to today's presentation can also be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Joe.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, David, and good afternoon, everyone. This was a net of a very strong quarter for CBS, including a new all-time high in revenue and our 37th consecutive quarter of EPS growth. Once again, we were able to deliver these results while continuing to invest in our future as a global multi-platform premium content company. At a time when the whole industry is talking about pivoting to direct-to-consumer, we are proud to be among the first to have embraced it as a core strategy, and as a result, be one of the leaders in the space.

This is why today, we have invited Jim Lanzone to join us on the call. As Chief Digital Officer and the CEO of CBS Interactive, Jim will tell you more about the key drivers of our direct-to-consumer success and the evolving world of over-the-top. After Jim, we'll turn it over to Chris to give you some more color about our financial results. Now let me get things started with a quick update on the first quarter.

As you saw in our release, advertising revenue was up 18% driven by the success of Super Bowl LIII. Affiliate and subscription fee revenue also grew strongly and was up 13%. Overall, our total revenue was up double digits, and EPS was up 2% to a new first-quarter record while we significantly ramped up our investment in our premium content just as we said we would. This programming investment continues to lead to quarterly sub growth across our company both sequentially and year over year where we just posted a high single-digit increase here in Q1.

The growth included a combination of traditional distribution, virtual MVPDs, as well as our direct-to-consumer services, which gives us the highest average rate per sub, the best ability to monetize our audiences through advanced advertising and the most effective way for us to make better programming decisions. In the first quarter, our D2C subs were up 71% year over year. As everyone is aware, last month, Apple announced it is launching a new streaming platform. Our two main services, CBS All Access and Showtime, will be anchors for this platform from the outset.

We've already had great success offering our direct-to-consumer services on Amazon, Roku, Hulu and others. And now with Apple getting into the game, we've added another distribution powerhouse that will make our content available to even more consumers, which allows our services to grow even faster. So between our content investment and our expansion onto new platforms, we feel even better today than we did just a quarter ago about reaching our target of 25 million direct-to-consumer subs in 2022. It's important to note that our target of 25 million doesn't include subs from our international services where we continue to increase our footprint.

We launched All Access in Canada a year ago and followed it up with 10 All Access in Australia last fall. Next up, we will launch our direct-to-consumer services in Latin America and Western Europe, two regions where we see high-growth potential and strong interest in our premium content. We have a proven track record for delivering some of the most-watched shows around the globe, and we also have one of the world's largest television libraries. So with nearly 7.5 billion people living outside the United States, the international marketplace presents a huge opportunity for further long-term growth.

Our goal of 25 million domestic subs also excludes the growth we're seeing at our ad supported streaming services, CBSN, CBS Local, CBS Sports HQ and ET Live, which are a big part of our future as well. We will be launching our second local version of CBSN in Los Angeles this quarter, followed by Boston and San Francisco later in the year. So we are well-positioned in both the SVOD and AVOD marketplaces, and we are expanding on platforms locally, nationally and internationally. Whether it's entertainment or sports, original series or live events, local or national news, the driving force behind our direct-to-consumer services and our entire company is our premium must-have content.

And we continue to increase our output. This year, we are on track to invest more than $8 billion in programming, which positions us competitively with any player in the marketplace. The benefits of this content-driven strategy were on full display at CBS All Access in the first quarter. Season two of Star Trek: Discovery began in January, and the return of The Good Fight dropped in March.

Add to that, Super Bowl LIII and March Madness, and CBS All Access had its biggest quarter of sub growth ever. The momentum continues here in Q2 with The Twilight Zone, which was the most-watched original premier on CBS All Access and which we just renewed for a second season. Up ahead, we'll have a dark comedy starring Lucy Lu called Why Women Kill from Marc Cherry, the creator of Desperate Housewives, as well as a true crime drama called Interrogation. And then we'll launch a whole new Star Trek series, starring Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard, which will have a strong international appeal.

Our programming investment is paying off at Showtime as well. We kicked off 2019 with the launch of a new comedy called Black Monday starting Don Cheadle, as well as our new late-night talk show, Desus and Mero, which is expanding to two nights a week for the summer. Billions returned with a terrific new season near the end of the quarter, which rolled right into the launch of The Chi here in Q2. Once again, all of this content is contributing to the significant sub growth we continue to see.

And the pipeline for Showtime is just as robust going forward, including several new shows with big names attached. In June, Showtime will premiere a new crime drama called City on a Hill starring Kevin Bacon and executive produced by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Later this summer, we'll have The Loudest Voice with stars Russell Crowe as Roger Ailes. And as some of -- and some very promising new shows in preproduction as well, including Halo, the highly anticipated video game series, and legal thriller, Your Honor, which will star Bryan Cranston.

In addition to producing more content for our own brands, our studios are also creating more program than ever before for third parties. We are now producing 80 series across 15 broadcast, cable and streaming outlets. That's nearly double the number of series and triple the number of outlets from just five years ago, and it includes a number of high-profile projects as well. Tomorrow, our critically acclaimed series, Dead to Me, will drop on Netflix.

This summer, we will begin filming Diary of a Female President, which will stream on Disney Plus. And in August, the highly anticipated reboot of 90210 will premiere on Fox. As we create more programming for third parties, we are growing our vast television library and generating lucrative licensing revenue today. But of course, the bulk of our development is focused on the most powerful media platform, the CBS Television Network.

Right now, we have 11 primetime series delivering an average of over 10 million viewers each week, more than any other network. We have three of the top five programs on all of television and five of the top 10. We also have four of the top 10 new shows on television, which are: FBI, God Friended Me, Magnum P.I. and The Neighborhood, all of which have been picked up for second seasons and all of which we have ownership in.

So when the season ends on May 22, it's safe to say that CBS will be the most-watched network for the 11th consecutive season and for the 16th of the last 17 years and will be No. 1 whether or not you include the Super Bowl. No other network has that kind of reach, consistency and stability. We are now in the middle of screening pilots for our new fall schedule, and soon we'll be adding a number of new shows to our deep bench of established hits.

In two weeks, we will present our new primetime schedule to advertisers at Carnegie Hall, our first upfront under the vision of Chief Creative Officer, David Nevins. We look forward to showcasing our exciting new CBS shows, along with all of the other outstanding multi-platform program -- programming we are creating across our entire company. With the No. 1 television network and a growing suite of ad supported CBS branded streaming channels, we offer our clients a range of opportunities that is unparalleled.

We see big opportunities in advertising because of all the new ways we now reach consumers. And technological advancements in measurement continue to get us closer to realizing the true value of our audiences. For example, out-of-home viewing boosts our ratings meaningfully, and these viewers are not yet included in the C7 currency. But as we've seen time and time again, when moved from live to C3 to C7, it's fair to expect out-of-home consumption to be included, and it's only a matter of time that all consumption is measured.

By the way, with all this talk about advertising, you may be able to guess which CBS executive is scheduled to be our surprise guest on our next earnings call. And if you thought winning in primetime for 11 straight years was impressive, in daytime, we are No. 1 for 32 consecutive years. And in first-run syndication, we had eight of the top 10 shows, including Jeopardy!, which has been on a tear lately, thanks to the ongoing epic run by contestant James Holzhauer.

We're also winning in late night, where Stephen Colbert is solidly No. 1. He's leading the competition by more than 1.3 million viewers. And for the first time, he's also winning in viewers 18 to 49, making Colbert the undisputed King of late-night television.

At CBS News, Susan Zirinsky is already putting her stamp on our esteemed news organization by going deep into big stories and building on CBS' long-standing legacy of excellence in broadcast journalism. And in its 51st year, 60 Minutes is a consistent top 10 performer. Some things just never get old. At CBS Sports, we are in the midst of one of the greatest runs in sports television history.

We had the most-watched media event of the year with Super Bowl LIII and the second most-watched event of the year with the AFC championship game. We also had an exciting NCAA men's basketball championship that was up 23% from 2018, and Tiger Woods incredible come-back at the Masters may be the greatest sports story of the year, and it was the most-watched morning golf broadcast in 32 years. And now with Tiger's big win, the anticipation is building for CBS' broadcast of the PGA Championship, which, for the first time, has been moved into the second quarter, airing on CBS on May 18 and 19. We're looking forward to a repeat of this marquee lineup of sporting events in 2021 when we bring back the Super Bowl to CBS in two years instead of the usual three.

We'll have a presidential election year in 2020, the Super Bowl back on CBS in 2021, then another political cycle in 2022. This will lead to tremendous stability in our advertising revenue for years to come. All the Big tent-pole events we air on the CBS Television Network also helped fuel our results in our Local Media segment, leading to stronger advertising sales at our TV stations both in the first quarter and here in the second quarter as well. And remember, Local Media is the home of retransmission consent fees, which will continue to be a steady growth driver into the future.

Plus, with the legalization of sports betting in several states, we are just beginning to tap into this whole new advertising category. Premium content is also driving the success in publishing, where Simon & Schuster turned in a very strong first quarter, and we are proud that David Blight's book about Frederick Douglass was recently awarded the Pulitzer Prize for history. Here, in the second quarter, we have a great line up ahead, including titles from best-selling authors, Cassandra Clare, Brad Thor, David McKellar and with his first new book since 1995, Howard Stern. So we're off to a great start here in 2019.

Whether it's watching our CBS crime dramas on Tuesday or our comedy block on Thursdays, following CBS Sports HQ for highlights or CBSN for breaking news, binging early episodes of Billions on Showtime or streaming the latest Twilight Zone episodes on All Access, consumers choose us because of our differentiated must-have content, and we're giving it to them in all the ways they want it. We are confident that increasing our investment in premium content will continue to be the best way to drive revenue growth led by our fastest-growing opportunity, direct-to-consumer streaming. We told you last quarter that we already hit 8 million subscribers combined across CBS All Access and our Showtime direct-to-consumer platform. And here in Q1, we just had our biggest quarter of D2C sub growth yet.

And now with the emergence of a key player like Apple, along with more great CBS and Showtime content on the way, you can see why we feel very good about achieving our goal of 25 million domestic subs, and as importantly, that sub growth goes hand-in-hand with our financial outlook, which we are reaffirming today. But before we talk finance, here to tell you more about our digital growth strategy is Jim Lanzone. Take it away, Jim.

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Thank you, Joe. It's great to be here to talk about CBS' massive footprint and incredible recent growth in the digital space. Everyone knows CBS is the No. 1 broadcast network, but not everyone knows that CBS operates the top 10 Internet property right alongside of it.

It's been my team's job to build and run that business for the past eight years while leading the digital transformation of CBS along the way. With over 178 million unique users in March, CBS Interactive is now the No. 7 ranked property in the United States according to comScore, a number that does not yet include our large and growing connected TV audience. You're likely familiar with CBS All Access and our Showtime direct-to-consumer service, which are the focal points of our digital transformation.

What you might not know is that most of our brands are also leaders in their categories, including CBS Sports Digital, the second ranked and fastest-growing online sports property, with over 70 million unique users per month, CBS News digital, a top 10 journal news property, also with over 70 million unique users per month, CNET, which has been the No. 1 property in the lucrative technology category for over two decades with over 60 million unique users per month and Entertainment Tonight and TV Guide, which combine to form the No. 2 entertainment news property with over 50 million unique users per month. From our headquarters in Silicon Valley, CBS Interactive operates as the standard of excellence for all things digital at CBS, from product to technology to online marketing.

Not only does this enable efficiencies in digital operations, but it also ensures an entrepreneurial drive and product expertise not seen in the digital divisions of most traditional media companies. This has led to some of our most important innovations, especially in the high-growth direct-to-consumer and OTT space, such as CBS All Access, CBSN and CBS Sports HQ years ahead of our competitors. It's also given us the ability to produce online streams of the largest live events on the Internet such as the Super Bowl and the Grammys, all on our own tech platforms managed by our own team without a hitch. We have operated internationally for years with teams and brands in Europe, Asia and Australia.

And from a revenue perspective, we have one of the largest direct sales divisions on the Internet, selling the most in-demand inventory online, premium addressable video, while leading the way in the transition to both programmatic and advanced advertising. CBS All Access is perhaps the best-known result of our unique approach to digital. Historically, CBS Interactive experienced success with several pioneering subscription offerings from March Madness on-demand to college sports live which streamed 20,000 live games per year to the Big Brother SuperPass, which offered 24-hour live viewing of the Big Brother household. Meanwhile, tens of millions of people visited each month to catch up on in-season programming and we gained deep product experience serving them.

It became clear to us that a meaningful percentage of our fans would be eager to pay for access to even more CBS content and more places if we offered it to them. And so we launched CBS All Access in October 2014 to serve our superfans with roughly 5,000 episodes from past and present broadcast seasons, a portion of our library and live fees of our owned and operated stations. Fast forward to today, and we've grown All Access over to over 10,000 episodes, including full seasons of all current CBS shows, nearly everything in the CBS library, nationwide coverage from our CBS stations with our affiliate partners joining the O&Os, full integration of our NFL Sunday lineup, a slate of live OTT channels in sports, news and entertainment, and a defining lineup of exclusive originals, including Star Trek: Discovery, The Good Fight and The Twilight Zone with many more on the way. Showtime's direct-to-consumer product debuted shortly after All Access in July of 2015 again using internally developed technology seamlessly serving millions of viewers with hits like Homeland, Billions and Shameless, as well as its deep library of movies and one-of-a-kind sporting events anywhere, anytime.

Combined, our two services reached our 8 million subscriber target earlier this year, nearly two years ahead of schedule. And yet, this is still less than 10% of the pay-TV households in the U.S. today, making our long-term goal of 25 million subscribers a very reasonable target. Meanwhile, our internal surveys suggests that nearly 70% of All Access subscribers have multichannel TV packages in addition to All Access, meaning the vast majority of our subscribers today are not cord cutters or rather people who use the service as a premium add-on to their local cable or satellite packages.

We also enjoy broad and balanced distribution of All Access with direct subscriptions comprising the vast majority of subscribers to date alongside strong growth from third-party channel partners like Amazon and platform partners like Apple, Android, Roku and more. In terms of user behavior, Q1 saw a 63% increase in minutes spent on All Access year on year, jumping to 76% in March. We see a well-balanced viewing pattern across those minutes with a healthy mix of consumption of our exclusive originals, catch-up viewing for CBS broadcast shows, live streaming of local CBS stations and CBS library viewing. On average, our audience is 20 years younger than broadcast, and it's split roughly 50-50 between men and women.

Two-thirds choose the limited commercial option with one-third choosing the commercial free option. Churn is in line with industry norms, and we have been happy to see many lapsed users coming back to All Access upon the seasonal return of their favorite content. We think of these users is pausing their membership rather than canceling it in the traditional sense, and the data suggests that our investment in content across CBS will be our most effective tool for eliminating or reducing the pause cycle for these users, as well as deepening their engagement. We see similar behavior with Showtime OTT where originals account for over 80% of consumption.

Taken together, this constitutes a striking difference between user behavior with our SVOD products and those of other services which rely heavily on library content for most of their consumption. While CBS is an early innovator in SVOD, we have also been ahead of the game in AVOD, starting with the 2014 launch of CBSN, the first 24/7 OTT news channel, followed by the 2018 launches of CBS Sports HQ, ET Live and CBSN New York. These products have, in turn, enhanced CBS All Access weaving seamlessly together to form the streaming network of the future, a multilayered nesting doll of services that users can unpack 24 hours a day according to their entertainment sports or news needs. A great example just occurred in April when over 1 million people streamed the Nipsey Hussle Memorial via an ET Live broadcast delivered simultaneously on CBSN and All Access.

CBS Sports HQ, meanwhile, saw a 10x spike in usage during Super Bowl week and never looked back, moving into record-breaking coverage of March Madness and rolling right into the Masters, which saw a 60% growth over our previous record with over 1 billion minutes consumed online. Since CBS Interactive delivers premium video content with the data targeting of digital, our AVOD channels were launched to meet the growing demand among advertisers for premium video inventory. This is another benefit of our deep relationship with over 178 million users per month across our proprietary network. Not only can we use data to enhance our products and content decisions, but we consistently generate higher CPMs than traditional broadcast.

And thanks to the demand for premium OTT video, we are consistently sold out. Our network and digital sales teams go into every sale together, offering the full power of our multiplatform company in every way. In addition, as a premium content company, we truly believe that CBS has the ability to partner with almost everyone in this dynamic space, from technology companies building their own content platforms to MVPDs that are moving to the multi-platform future right along with us, to sports leagues who want to address younger, more digitally savvy audiences without sacrificing the reach of broadcast, to international distributors looking for the best content, to affiliates who want to evolve to a sustainable future. Given the right financial and data terms, we are doing business with all of them.

Just a few examples historically include our partnership with Netflix in international territories for Star Trek: Discovery, our participation with virtual MVPDs such as Hulu Live and Youtube TV, our channel deals for All Access and Showtime with Amazon, Roku and Apple, our partnership with the NFL for CBS All Access, our Emmy Award winning Snapchat discovery shows starring James Corden, our Facebook watch partnership for Colbert and Corden and so many more. There's one more thing I'd like to note about the digital transformation of CBS. Everything we've done, including our innovative new ventures, has always been underpinned by rigorous business planning and financial discipline. And while we are ramping up our content investment to meet consumer demand, we do not believe doing so requires us to turn our business upside in order to compete.

We believe the combination of 30-plus shows per season from the No. 1 CBS Television Network, 11 shows per year and growing from All Access originals, the power of the award-winning Showtime lineup, our 10,000-plus episode library from Cheers to The Good Wife, our increasingly popular AVOD channels, our local -- live local feed of over 200 CBS stations and the dozens of premium live sports, news and entertainment events throughout the year, combine to give us a powerful offering for consumers who want more from CBS. As a pure content company, serving over 100 million households over the air and nearly 200 million users domestically online, we have the clarity of mission and purpose for competing in this space while possessing the experience and expertise to compete digitally with anyone. We will be a consistent growing force in this valuable market for many decades to come.

So with that, I'll hand it over to Chris.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. As you heard, the powerful combination of premium content and technology is at the center of our success at CBS Corporation. It's given us a competitive advantage, particularly in direct-to-consumer that's helping to drive the financial results you see today and is the key to our long-term success as a global, multi-platform premium content company. So as we remain fully focused on allocating resources to areas that generate the highest return on investment, namely our must-have premium content and our direct-to-consumer services, we are confident we will build upon our leadership position and continue to significantly scale new revenue growth in 2019 and the future.

Now let me give you some more details about our first-quarter results. Revenue for the first quarter was up 11% to an all-time high of $4.2 billion driven by the success of Super Bowl LIII. Our underlying business also grew largely from higher affiliate and subscription fees. As you heard, advertising led the way with an 18% increase.

At CBS, advertising remains strong and consistent with underlying network advertising up 1% for the quarter. And even without the Super Bowl, we are on track for $4 billion in network advertising revenue for all of 2019, which is in line with prior years. Affiliate and subscription fees were up 13%. Retrans, reverse comp and virtual MVPDs continued to show strong and steady increases and were up 20% during the quarter.

And content licensing and distribution came in at $963 million, compared with $995 million last year. Content licensing can vary from quarter to quarter. And in last year's first quarter, we had several licensing renewals, including a significant deal for our hit Showtime series Dexter. Given the changing landscape, we see upside ahead in future quarters as others pull back and reduce the supply available for third party.

Also, for the quarter, operating income grew 2% to $793 million, and EPS also grew 2% to $1.37. Both of these were first-quarter records. Our first-quarter results included three adjustments. We accounted for a one-time tax benefit related to the reorganization of our international operations, we recorded a gain on a sale of TV City, and we recorded charges associated with cost savings initiatives.

Now let's turn to our operating segments. Entertainment revenue for the first quarter was up 15% to $3.2 billion. Affiliate and subscription fees grew 26% driven by subscriber growth at CBS All Access, as well as increases in reverse comp and virtual MVPDs. Advertising was up 19% mainly as a result of Super Bowl LIII, and content licensing grew 3% as we continued to produce more shows to third-party outlets.

Entertainment operating income of $530 million grew 9% even as we ramped up our investment in premium content and expanded our direct-to-consumer streaming services. At our cable network segment, revenue for the first quarter was $552 million, compared with $571 million in 2018 when we had several licensing renewal, including a significant one for Dexter that I just mentioned. Showtime subs continue to grow across traditional and digital platforms and were up 8% year over year. Cable Network operating income was $175 million, compared with $236 million last year, mainly reflecting our higher investment in content and marketing.

Illustrating this, in the first quarter, we aired 30% more episodes of programming on Showtime than we did a year ago. Turning to publishing. First-quarter revenue increased 3% to $164 million driven by higher print book sales. Digital audio also continued to grow and was up 7%.

Several of our cross-selling titles in the first quarter benefited from media tie-ins, including two titles that were released as film. Five Feet Apart by Rachael Lippincott and Pet Cemetery by Stephen King, as well as Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat by Samin Nosrat, which is now a Netflix series. And publishing operating income for the first quarter grew 6% to $17 million. In our Local Media segment, first-quarter revenue of $457 million grew 10% driven by higher advertising revenue from Super Bowl LIII, as well as 11% growth in retrans.

In terms of Advertising category, auto, entertainment and healthcare all posted solid increases. Local Media operating income for the quarter was up 17% to $138 million, and the segment operating income margin expanded 2 points to 30%. Turning to cash flow on our balance sheet. Free cash flow was $411 million for the quarter, compared with $687 million last year, reflecting our strategy of increasing our investment in content and our direct-to-consumer services.

In Q1, we spent approximately 25% more on programming than we did last year. Also, during the quarter we issued $500 million of senior notes and used the proceeds to retire debt. Additionally, we unlocked value from noncore assets through the sale of excess real estate. Together, these actions significantly improved our net leverage ratio to 2.7 at the end of the first quarter.

We continue to believe the highest and best use of our cash is to reinvest in our company. We have identified $175 million in efficiencies that we expect to recognize in 2019, and we are reinvesting all of it back into our high-growth businesses. Now let me tell you what we see ahead. At the CBS Television Network, scatter is up more of than 25% in primetime from our upfront pricing and even more in late night.

So we feel very good about our ability to increase pricing and volume in this year's upfront, which will benefit us in the fall. And at our Local Media segment, revenue for the second quarter is pacing to be up low single digits. When you include all the big sporting events we had to start off the year from Super Bowl LIII, to March Madness, to The Masters to the upcoming TDA championship, we expect 2019 to be a record year for advertising. In content licensing, we continue to increase our investment in programming for our own brands even as we produce more content for third parties.

As you heard, we are now creating 80 series for 15 outlets, an all-time high. And in two weeks, we will announce our new fall schedule for both CBS and the CW, which will add even more shows to our growing pipeline. All of this gives us more content to monetize particularly in the international marketplace, and we will continue to ensure that we are maximizing the value of all of our programming, especially as others choose to forego this opportunity. In affiliate and subscription fee revenue, we have about a third of our footprint coming up for renewal in both retrans and reverse comp this year.

We continue to negotiate fair value for our content with each new deal we do, so we expect strong and steady increases for this revenue source to continue. In addition, we are already seeing the impact of our strategy to ramp up our content investment to grow our direct-to-consumer services. And as you heard from Jim, with our in-house expertise and cutting-edge infrastructure, along with our partnerships with third-party distributors, such as Amazon and Apple, we are well-positioned to scale our direct-to-consumer services, and our 25 million subs target for 2022 is very much within our reach. So in summary, we are one quarter into our three-year outlook, and we are off to a strong start.

Our subs are growing across all platforms with those from our direct-to-consumer services growing the fastest. This early success will propel us forward as we continue to grow these services and our leadership position in this space. Given the strength of our Q1 accomplishments and our strong OTT momentum, we feel very good about our long-term growth strategy and our ability to achieve our 3-year guidance of revenue CAGR in the high single digits and EPS CAGR in the double digits. With that, James, we can open the line for questions.

Questions & Answers:


[Operator instructions] And we'll take our first question today from Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. I want to touch on the direct-to-consumer streaming stuff and, obviously, take advantage of Jim being on the call. First Jim, could you talk about the AVOD opportunity? I mean we all know CBS All Access and the subscription businesses you've been building are doing quite well with Showtime.

But AVOD is doing a lot of focus on that marketplace today. So it's interesting that you said you're basically sold out all the time. So just talk about what you're doing to try to drive that business. I don't know if you would want to try to size it for us in terms of ad revenue or what kind of growth rates you're seeing and how do you create more impressions beyond just driving engagement.

And then just to broaden out the question across direct-to-consumer maybe for yourself and Joe. When you think about going to Europe and Latin America, license your Latin America with All Access, how do you think about that product strategy versus what we've seen here in the U.S., if it differs at all, particularly in the content side, because obviously, you guys license a lot internationally. I'm just curious how you think about rolling that out strategically and how it might be different than here, if at all.

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

I'll start with the AVOD one. Yeah. I mean, obviously, it is a big opportunity. It is the most premium advertising online because it is not only the power of video, but it is very targeted.

And so that's what drives the higher CPMs. Going back to the 2011 to '14 time period where we were conceiving of and building All Access, and at the same time, CBSN was being built specifically as an AVOD opportunity because we knew we needed to expand that inventory. At the same time, we had this amazing opportunity using our product infrastructure and journalist to create that product. so then last year, you saw us come out of the gate hot, right, with three more of these services with sports, entertainment and then the local version.

We have two more coming. And if you're just kind of asking me generally in the category, I definitely believe AVOD is here to stay. You have -- just even within All Access, as I said, two-thirds of the subscribers are choosing the limited commercial option. So even withing All Access, it's a big opportunity.

And then I think you will see us continue to try to press our advantage in launching into potentially more categories or more services.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Ben, it's Joe. On your international question, look, it's a market by market, country by country analysis the way we look at that. Obviously, we're balancing licensing it.

Our strategy here in the U.S., right, was we still license it, but we didn't license it exclusively. We said exclusively, except for our own services. So while our services are small, we're not really competing with them as we're building that. And so we're going to look at that.

And so really what we're focused on in these countries, what is the offering, making sure it's robust to really drive the subscriptions. So we'll continue to roll out -- so that's why when we look at it, and I use the metric the amount of people that live outside the United States and the amount of mobile devices that they all have, as far as I'm concerned, they're all potential customers. And so we're going to need to reach them a new and improved ways with the advancements in technology. So I think that provides a lot of opportunity for us as we see how to maximize them.

But it's country by country and franchise by franchise. I don't think we would -- we're kind of saying anything now or in the future that we're not going to license content to third parties because sometimes if they can pay you more money because they have a better infrastructure to monetize it, we'll take that money and reinvest it back into our businesses.

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

So presumably, your revenue guidance captures whenever licensing path you sort of take is in that -- baked into that guidance?

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer


Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you, both.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ben. We're going to take the next question now.


Certainly. Our next question will come from Jessica Reif Ehrlich with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Jessica Reif Ehrlich -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Thank you. I have two questions, one on distribution and one on advertising. On distribution, can you talk about Apple as a new entrant, what the pricing is versus existing distributors and how long that contract or that commitment is? What's the tone of conversations with traditional MVPDs for Showtime and for retrans given their own sub losses this quarter? I mean you can see what's happened in the last quarter. And could you tell us how long your current Netflix deal goes? And then on advertising -- just switching gears, obviously, scatter pricing was amazing and should point to a good upfront market.

Besides CPMs going to be chasing reduced ratings, so pricing being helped by money chasing eyeballs, what else is going on? I mean do you see anything new in the advertising category, is the money coming in from digital? What -- just talk about the undercurrents of what's going on.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

It's Joe. Let me start and Jim and Chris just chime in. I'll start on the second one on scatter. Yeah, I mean, look, I know you'd say the pricing chasing less eyeballs because ratings are down.

I think our research confirms consumption is up. And again, they're watching different ways. The example I use over 10%, or 10 million viewers watched the Super Bowl outside their home. And so unless that's in the currency, we're leaving money on the table.

So when you add all of these things in, it has to be in the currency. So that's why it's so important for us to go from live to C3 to C7 to C8, C9, C10. Our job is to deliver the advertiser to the consumer with our product. And if we do our job, we expect to be paid fairly.

And so I think as you're seeing the shift in the consumption habits, you're seeing the monetization trail. So when we go to market, we're selling mass reach with this targeted capability with our OTT offering. So we think again, there's going to be a lot of emphasis on how to reach consumers, not just based on purely demographics. So I feel very good, and it's all about the upfront.

And in the next couple of weeks, as you know, a lot of networks are going to be putting on some nice shows, and ours will be the best of the bunch. And then our ad sales team go to work in the month of June, and we would expect to lead the market once again in terms of our pricing. As far as distribution, look, Apple is just another player. It's the similar model we have with our other partners that I ran through and mentioned.

It's a multiyear deal we have for CBS All Access and Showtime. And so the MVPDs understand that there are competitors in the marketplace, virtual MVPDs selling them direct. So that's been the marketplace for quite some time. Apple just is entering it, and so they're just maybe more consumers.

But that's why seven quarters ago, we started giving a stat that's saying what our subs are. Our subs are up. You add in, you're saying if there's cord cutters, cord shavers, cord nevers, whatever you want to call them, put them together with virtual MVPDs and direct-to-consumer services, for seven quarters in a row, we've grown subscribers. And so they have the choice, they have the flexibility to choose that.

And so we feel really good and proud about that statistic because there's not a lot of companies that can do this. Go ahead, Chris.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

We're also seeing growth in the traditional subs that Showtime nets, so we are seeing that premium content as a differentiator and drive the growth.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks very much, Jess. I think we're going to take the next question now.


Certainly. We'll hear from Alexia Quadrani with J.P. Morgan.

Alexia Quadrani -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Thank you so much. I just want to circle back on your comment where you highlighted selling some content to third parties, which we knew about, but it just seems like you've got such a strong TV studio here. And I'm wondering sort of the age-old question about how you're producing these potential hits for third parties. You've got your direct-to-consumer products with Showtime and CBS All Access growing so strong and obviously your linear business.

How do you balance it? Sort of, again, where are the puts and takes in trying to decide what goes where? And then my follow-up is sort of a bigger picture question maybe for Jim, sort of. Who do you really see as your competition on the D2C side with CBS All Access and Showtime? Is it the broader universe? Is it more of a niche player like HBO? I'm curious how you guys view the market.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

OK. Alexia, it's Joe. I'll go first and then Jim will take the second part. Look, I mean that's what we're doing with every franchise we create.

And so we're balancing -- obviously, we know what the show costs per episode. We know what we can sell it for. We put it through an analysis of how many incremental subs will it drive at All Access and we bring it to market. And so there is a lot of demand for our premium content, so I think we approach it with that opportunity.

But clearly, we look at that in-house first. Obviously, we're having a pretty buzzworthy show drop on Netflix tomorrow. The good news is, again, we own the underlying intellectual property rights. So that's going to be really good for us.

So we can't put everything through our platform, I think, and generate the type of returns that we can by selling it. So we're going to continue to be nimble and keep evaluating it. Again, like I said, franchise by franchise, we don't have the holistic view. Some outlets have particular tastes in particular types of content, and we're serving that, but we really are looking at this holistically.

Jim, you want to take the second part?

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Yeah. I mean you've heard, read, call all our competitors sleep and fortnight. I'll leave another comparison like that to him. But for us, we look at two main players in the marketplace, there are platforms and there are pure content players.

On the platform side, one of the great things about being a content player is that we can partner with anybody and -- whereas they sometimes tend to not do deals together because it's competitive. And look, I obviously -- kind of behind your question there are more competitors coming into the marketplace. And to that, I'd just say two things. One is we definitely don't view it as a zero-sum game, right? There is -- there are a certain number of seats on this rocket ship that are taking off in our space.

It's not an infinite amount. There aren't that many people who spend $8 billion plus per year on content and do it, as well as we do. And if we play this right, there's definitely a seat for us in that ship. The other thing I'd say is we've already been at this since 2014, so we've already been competing against the Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Youtube, HBO this entire time as we've been building our service and exceeding our expectations on sub growth.

So we definitely have a position in that market that's unique, and we definitely feel good about it regardless of who's coming into the space.

Alexia Quadrani -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Thank you very much.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

OK. Thanks, Alexia. We'll take the next question now.


Next, we'll hear from Michael Nathanson with MoffettNathanson.

Michael Nathanson -- MoffettNathanson, LLC -- Analyst

Thanks. I have one for Joe, Jim and then one for Chris. So let me ask you a sacrilegious question. I know the success of All Access has been great, and you've done it for four, five years.

But given the competition, why not combine Showtime and All Access into maybe a tighter bundle or a different package? So why run two separate SVOD products given the rising competition we see right now. And then one for Chris.

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

OK. Just on the back end, again, from a cost perspective, it's very efficient, and that wouldn't be a reason. It would be a front end reason with our user base. I'll point out, we already offer these as upsells to each user base, so you can already get one service as part of the other.

And just so far to date, the user bases are differentiated somewhat. It's not that they couldn't come together in the future. They could, and we could add more content to that internal bundle of our own, but they are differentiated enough as are somewhat business models to date. So we are looking at it.

It's something to consider for the future, but it is definitely nothing that's held just back, by any means, on sub growth.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Look, Michael before you ask Chris or whatever, look. The consumer wants optionality. We're giving the consumer optionality.

They can certainly today buy them together for a discount, and we offer that to them. But some who don't want to spend in the teens of dollars and only want to spend $5.99, we're going to give them that choice. Consumers want choice, convenience and control. Those are the three things we are satisfying with consumers.

So we're serving that up to them, and they will decide. And so if we combine them, we think we actually could have less subscribers. I think this actually provides -- it's by the way, totally different offerings, right? With CBS, you're getting live events, catch up viewing, library, originals. Showtime, you're getting edgy, niche, high-brow product with movies.

And so very complementary, but that's why we offer them as a choice if they want to do that, but we really like the offering.

Michael Nathanson -- MoffettNathanson, LLC -- Analyst

OK. I though I'd ask it. So Chris, to you. Chris, you mentioned that you had 30% more episodes on Showtime this quarter.

Given the push at Showtime, will you help us think about how the whole year looks? Is this front end loaded on episodes? Or is this a type of increase over the year?

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

I just want to make sure -- you cut out a little bit. You said 30%, right?

Michael Nathanson -- MoffettNathanson, LLC -- Analyst


Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

30% more. Yeah. OK. I thought I heard you say 3%.

I just want to make sure. Is that the right number.

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30, 30.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Because the 0 is important. So it's a good question because the first quarter is a bit front-loaded from the standpoint when you look at what we're spending and the timing of when we're spending it. When you look at Cable Networks for the first quarter with the licensing revenue variation for Dexter not being there in '19 and then the greater programming investment in Q1, we are going to expect to see that the trends will normalize and be solid over the course of the year.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. You can think about it, Michael, as a front half, back half. Front half, I just listed all the shows we're doing. Obviously, the subs come and stuff like that.

So I would look at that as it improves over the year, but think about it as first half, back half.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

With six months [Inaudible].

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer


Michael Nathanson -- MoffettNathanson, LLC -- Analyst

OK. Thanks guys.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

OK. Thanks, Michael. We'll take the next question now.


Michael Morris with Guggenheim has our next question.

Michael Morris -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon. Two questions. First on your plan to expand Latin America and other markets with the direct-to-consumer product.

Can you talk about the content investment to fuel that product? You referenced library content that's in demand. And I guess my question would be how much of the mix of content would be library that's really no incremental cost, how much is kind of maybe foregoing some licensing and how much is new content that you need specifically for those markets? And then second on retransmission consent. The growth rate that you saw in the first quarter, I think we're expecting it to pick up over the course of the year. Can you talk a little bit about what that pacing looks like and maybe if you are seeing any negative impact or more significant negative impact in the subscriber environment right now? Thanks.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Mike, I'll take the first and then Chris will take the retrans. Look, the content offering, again, look, it's going to be very little incremental investment. The incremental investment is if we really want to couple local content.

In some countries, as you know, there are some quotas you have to have in these services. And so, for example, in Australia because we have Network Ten, we have a lot of local content. But basically, you're going to have library. And then again, you're just -- it's the dial back of what you just really highlighted.

It's what do we sell -- what do we license the content for if it wasn't exclusive to that distributor and it was just so -- it was exclusive, except for our own service. And so it would be that, would be to pull back on what it is offset by the growth of the subs. And so -- but we want to make sure the offering has all three of those, current content, library and local live. And if we can have that, we're seeing that as the right mix to really drive the -- where the appetite is for the demand.

So we're really balancing those three, but it's not going to be a lot of incremental cost initially. Chris on the retrans.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

On the retrans side, we didn't have any big retrans renewals in Q1, but we have some coming up, as you know, later this year, so you'll see more of an increase in the back half of the year. And according to the sub growth, we'll see more monetization from the subs that we added on later in the quarter, later this year. So there's no unusual trending going on there.

Michael Morris -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

OK. Thank you.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Mike. We'll take the next question.


Next, we have Dan Salmon with BMO Capital Markets.

Dan Salmon -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Maybe for Jim or Joe to start just to return back to the Latin America and Western Europe expansion plan. Just anything you can add a little bit on time line presumably this starts this year. Are you thinking of it as sort of an initial wave of countries that can arc that sort of plays out over a period of time and then you slow down? Or is this sort of the beginning of a long slow march that goes right into 2020 and beyond? Just any color on that would be great.

And then, Jim, for you specifically, once again, you talked here about CBS developing a lot of their own technology for these products. Could you maybe just take us a layer deeper there and talk about sort of front-end, back-end developments where -- and how you decide between being proprietary or not and then where you may use some partners for just capacity cloud, CDM, things like that and just help us understand that, just one layer deeper. Thank you.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Dan, it's Joe. I'll go first. Look, we're taking our time with international. We're being methodical.

We went Canada first, learned some lessons, seeing a lot of customer data, what's working, what's not working, went to Australia. So we don't really want to put a time line on it and then be caught up to say something is behind or not behind. We're going as quickly as possible but thorough. Again, focus on making sure that the offering to the consumer is robust.

And that's really going to be what it is on content availabilities and things of that nature that's there. So that's really the constraining factor, but we're committed to rolling this out into 200 countries around the world. And those are just going to be the regions where we're going to be pursuing next. But believe me, the team knows how important this is.

And again as I said, it's probably single-handedly the largest opportunity in front of us. Jim?

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Yeah. I mean, again, obviously, I can't speak too much about the proprietary nature of our stack, but just to take you back, I mean, one of the great things, I was at an event last night with a bunch of my peers in the industry and we were kind of talking shop about this. And one of the differences with us is that going, again, all the way back to, in some cases, 15 years. Our division invented a lot of SVOD and online streaming event video with things like March Madness on-demand, a lot of the big events over the years and services that we offered.

And so we, over time, built the stack to handle what we were doing. That included, in 2013, our first Super Bowl. We've now just streamed our third Super Bowl. So by the time we did All Access, it was very natural to do it on our own stack.

And now when we're launching these new AVOD services, we roll right from CBSN, that team and that stack helps the CBS Sports HQ team and theirs. And look, so how do we decide what to build internally, and we have a great team and a big team on that, but it's what's truly strategic and what's core to us, right? In some ways it's things like our CMF is core to us, and video absolutely is. And then there are other things obviously on the CDM side, cloud and other certain facets of our subscription service that we will use third parties where we don't deem it to be core and we just use that to breed third party. Also helps us on the cost side to keep certain parts of it variable.

So we're always analyzing that. I think everybody in the industry is working off of an internal, external stack, product stack, in some way, and we're no different. I think it's more that we've known what we've been building over time. We know that it works, and we know we can rely on it.

Dan Salmon -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

OK. Thank you, both.

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive


Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Dan. We'll take the next question.


We'll hear from David Miller with Imperial Capital. 

David Miller -- Imperial Capital--Analyst

Yeah. Hey, guys. Question for Joe and also a follow-up for Chris. Joe, was there any other motivation to switch Super Bowls with NBC other than the obvious reason, which, of course, is that NBC wanted the property for airing in the same year as Winter Olympics? I'm just wondering if there was another reason other than the obvious.

And then Chris, we have you guys being extremely free cash flow generative in the back half of the year as a lot of the investments that you've talked about on this call, clearly bear fruit in Q3 and Q4. Could you talked about your priorities for share repurchases in the back half? I don't think that was included in your scripted comments. I'd appreciate the comments. Thanks.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, David. It's Joe. I'll take the first one. Look, I think from NBC's vantage point, they probably looked at it exactly that way.

The NFL probably didn't want the Winter Olympics competing against the Super Bowl, not knowing when that would start, the Winter Olympics would start. And for our vantage point is having the Super Bowl earlier was a fantastic opportunity for us. So I think it was win, win, win all the way around. Our analysis is simple because I laid out the flow of advertising revenue.

And as you know, how that works that really is a big driver for us. And to have that back in two years was a lot of upside. So I don't think there was anything -- other than that, on its surface was kind of the way we approached it. And I assume the way NBC approaches it as you suggest and why the NFL benefits from that well.

So it kind of just made sense. Chris?

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Thanks for the question, David. So on the share-repurchases front, we continue to believe that the highest and best use of our cash is back in the business at the moment, so we'll be opportunistic about it later in the year, which is consistent with what we said in Q4.

David Miller -- Imperial Capital--Analyst

OK. Wonderful. Thank you.

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Thanks, David.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

We'll take the next question.


Our next question comes from Doug Mitchelson with Credit Suisse.

Doug Mitchelson -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Thanks so much. Jim, if I handed you a blank check what else would you -- just pretend Joe is not in the room. What else would you spend on to accelerate growth further?

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

He said pretend Joe's not in the room.

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

There are no more blank checks.

Doug Mitchelson -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Chris wouldn't have to be there either. What else would you spend on to accelerated growth even further for CBS All Access? Is it more and more scripted content? Do you need to expand into new genres like, say, kids or content for teenagers? And then, I guess, Jim and Joe, is there an argument to be had that you should go for share on CBS All Access, lower the price? It's well above your retrans or versus retrans rates. You've got good advertising, as you've talked about, rates on CBS All Access. Is there a reason to go for a lower price and drive share and then try to walk up the ladder later?

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Doug, I'll take the second one and then Jim will give you the first one. Look, we think the price is pretty low already. We think it's a hell of a value proposition for consumers.

Again, for $6, you're getting live television, news, sports entertainment, big events, right, catch-up viewing, full stack, library, original series. So I hear you. So if we weren't seeing the success and the growth rate -- and again, this quarter was our fastest-growing quarter of subs. So we feel really good.

Just again, just last quarter we told you we tripled, we tripled our sub growth from 8 million in 2020 to 25 million in 2022, and we've already passed the 8 million. And so we feel really good about it. So it's really happening, so could we go lower, could we go faster, I mean, we could debate that. But quite candidly, we think it's a value proposition, and consumers are voting.


Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Yeah. And look, I'd say.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

What do you want to do with your new build class?

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Well, Joe will tell you, we actually, from the very beginning have never come in asking for a blank check. We absolutely made our own fuel in how we, as a company, funded these two services originally and the AVOD services. And while we definitely think there's a lot of room to grow, and we know that more content -- not necessarily just for originals. There -- to your point, there are other categories, there's other types of content.

And we get pretty balanced usage across all of them. The building behind those as we go forward and building in the strength, and we will spend more on that content, but we don't need to spaz out and just see what we can throw against the wall in the hopes of growing. We're getting that growth. We know exactly how we're getting it and we know how we increase engagement.

The last thing I would just say is, again, you talk to David Nevins. It's not -- not everybody can make this much great content this consistently with such a high batting average. And so building these strengths up over time is a much smarter way to go.

Doug Mitchelson -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Great, thank you.

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

OK. Thanks, Doug. I think we have time for one last question.


Our final question will come from Marci Ryvicker with Wolfe Research.

Marci Ryvicker -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Thank you. Two quickly. Chris, you said Q2 Local is pacing up 2%. Can you tell us what the underlying advertising component is that to that plus 2% and how that may compare to the underlying advertising in the first quarter? And then, Joe, you mentioned $8 billion to be spent on content in this year.

How has that figure changed over time and how will that change over time?

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I'll go first Marci. So last year, we spent a little over $7 billion. And so now we're saying we'll spend over $8 million.

Just directionally, you can see that. Obviously, we have the Super Bowl this year and stuff. So we are significantly ramping up. We -- on the last call, we said we were going from seven shows on All Access to 11.

Showtime was increasing their original production by 30%. So you're really kind of seeing us put those dollars to work, which is really what's driving the sub growth, which, in turn, is driving the revenue growth that we have in our financial outlook. So we feel really good about the spend. And we -- I say spend, but we really mean invest because, as Chris pointed out, it is our best return on invested capital is to make more.

And look, as we were just discussing, if we can make that same quality sooner, we'd even do more. So we're balancing the quality, the storytelling and all of that stuff with the growth. But it's a significant amount of money. And like I said, I'd put our spend up against anybody.


Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Marci. So relative to local advertising, the second-quarter growth, as I said, we're currently pacing into low single digits. Also want to just point out that our first-quarter results we said we were going to be in the high single digits of growth and we came in at about 10%.

So we feel really good about where the underlying trends are pacing right now.

Marci Ryvicker -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Does that include retrans?

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

No. It doesn't.

David Bank -- Executive Vice President of Investor Relations

OK. Well, thank you, everybody. And that concludes today's call.

Duration: 69 minutes

Call participants:

David Bank -- Executive Vice President of Investor Relations

Joe Ianniello -- President and Acting Chief Executive Officer

Jim Lanzone -- Chief Digital Officer and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Interactive

Chris Spade -- Chief Financial Officer

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Jessica Reif Ehrlich -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Alexia Quadrani -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Michael Nathanson -- MoffettNathanson, LLC -- Analyst

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Michael Morris -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Dan Salmon -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

David Miller -- Imperial Capital--Analyst

Doug Mitchelson -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Marci Ryvicker -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

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