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QNST earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2020.

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QuinStreet (QNST 2.69%)
Q3 2020 Earnings Call
May 06, 2020, 5:00 p.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the QuinStreet third-quarter fiscal 2020 financial results conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Erica Abrams. Please go ahead.

Erica Abrams -- Investor Relations Contact

Thank you, Keith. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us today as we report QuinStreet's third-quarter fiscal 2020 financial results. Joining me on the call today are Doug Valenti, CEO; and Greg Wong, CFO of QuinStreet.

This call is being simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website at Before we get started, I would like to remind you that the following discussion contains forward-looking statements. These statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected by such statements and are not guarantees of future performance. Factors that may cause results to differ from our forward-looking statements are discussed under the legal notice section in our Form 8-K filed with the SEC today, including disclosure about the effects of coronavirus and related restrictions on our business and are also discussed in more detail under the Risk Factors section in our SEC filings, including our most recent 10-Q filing.

Forward-looking statements are based on assumptions as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements. Today, we will be discussing both GAAP and non-GAAP measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release, which is available on the Investor Relations website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Doug, CEO of QuinStreet.

Please go ahead.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Erica, and thank you all for joining us today. QuinStreet business fundamentals and financial position remains strong and resilient despite coronavirus. We rapidly and successfully shifted to working remotely in all geographies in March, and productivity and progress have continued to be excellent. The execution of our team throughout this period has really been outstanding, first, by moving so rapidly to working effectively remotely in all locations and functions and since, by adapting quickly to the changes in our client and media markets caused by coronavirus.

Due to that great work combined as usual with the scale of our opportunity, strength of our core capabilities and variabilized business model, we expect to deliver continued solid EBITDA and cash flow during this challenging period. Our balance sheet is also strong with cash approaching $100 million and no bank debt. So again, QuinStreet's business fundamentals and financial position remains strong and resilient. Beyond coronavirus, we are confident that our future has never been brighter.

Fiscal Q3 results were impacted by coronavirus-related reductions in client marketing budgets and consumer traffic in some areas of our business. Those effects accelerated during the quarter with year-over-year growth in revenue, excluding divested businesses, dropping from 20% in January to 9% in March. Adjusted EBITDA margin fell from 10% in January to an average of 6% in February and March due mainly to the loss of top-line leverage and related lower media efficiency. Our insurance client vertical has been performing best in the face of coronavirus.

Auto insurance, our biggest business, grew 30% year over year. QRP also continues to progress well and promises to be one of the most exciting business opportunities in the history of the company with a strong value proposition for agency clients and big-scale and SaaS-like margins for QuinStreet. Among its many advantages, QRP increases agent productivity and helps agencies more effectively work remotely and to serve consumers online. Launched QRP clients already represent over $6 million in estimated annual revenue opportunity once fully ramped.

Signed and near-signed clients, not yet launched, represent $12 million of additional estimated annual revenue opportunity. The balance of clients in the advanced pipeline, not yet at the signing stage, represent $36 million more of estimated annual revenue opportunity. That means we believe we already have line of sight to over $50 million of estimated annual QRP revenue. We believe the full pipeline and market represent an estimated revenue opportunity of well over $100 million per year.

We made good progress on strategic initiatives in the quarter, narrowing our business footprint by successfully divesting our B2B client vertical in a sale to TechnologyAdvice, a B2B technology-focused firm headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee; and by also selling or spinning of all of our Brazil operations. As you would probably expect, the Goldman Sachs-led process to review strategic alternatives has paused due to current market uncertainties. We have four main focus areas and objectives during the pandemic period including best serving the needs of clients and media partners to maintain long-term market position and share. A second core objective is to continue making progress on key new product, media and business expansion initiatives.

A third core objective is to preserve cash and cash flow. And finally but second to none of the others, protecting our employees from health risks and economic uncertainty is a focus area and objective during the pandemic period. We feel good about those objectives for driving long-term shareholder value and about delivering on that. Turning to our outlook.

We expect revenue growth and EBITDA in the near term to continue to be impacted by coronavirus-related disruption and uncertainty. We expect continued volatility in client budgets and media, particularly in non-insurance client verticals. Forecasting specifics in these uncertain and unprecedented times is difficult. Our current estimate is for fiscal Q4 revenue, excluding divested businesses, to be down between 5% and 10% year over year.

Adjusted EBITDA and cash flow margins are expected to be positive but in the lower single digits as we absorbed full quarter effects of coronavirus-related drops in top-line leverage and media efficiency. We will look to avoid layoffs during this pandemic that would be required to offset those drops. It seems unjust and bad corporate citizenship to lay off productive employees just to increase already positive profits and cash flow, especially given our strong balance sheet, not to mention the fact that those layoffs would also have the effect of slowing progress on important longer-term initiatives. Looking post-coronavirus.

We are confident and enthusiastic about our strategy to narrow our footprint and focus our efforts on a smaller number of our biggest and best long-term business opportunities. Those opportunities would include a heavier mix of QRP and likely other high-margin technology products with deeper integrations into our clients and our networks. We still expect annual revenue of well over $400 million in the new format even before our plan to aggressively invest in the remaining businesses. We also expect revenue and EBITDA growth to be more predictable and even faster than our pre-coronavirus footprint, which in turn we expect to drive greater shareholder value.

Trailing 12 months revenue for our go-forward core financial services and home services businesses was $414 million through March 31, representing a three-year compound annual growth rate of 34%. With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg.

Greg Wong -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Doug. Hello, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. To start, I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy during these unprecedented times. Total revenue for the third quarter grew 11% year over year to $128.7 million, a record quarter for QuinStreet.

Revenue, excluding divested businesses, grew 15% year over year to $126.3 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $9.3 million or 7% of revenue. Adjusted net income was $7 million or $0.13 per share on a fully diluted basis. We grew our cash balance by $21 million to close the quarter with $97.1 million of cash and equivalents and no bank debt.

Looking at revenue by client vertical. Our financial services client vertical represented 77% of Q3 revenue and grew 15% year over year to $99.5 million. During the quarter, the most significant impact from the coronavirus was seen in our credit cards and personal loans businesses, where client marketing spend was down due to concerns about deteriorating economic activity and consumer credit quality. Auto insurance, our largest business, performed best in the face of the pandemic where revenue increased 30% year over- year, reflecting strong spending from a broad range of large carrier clients.

The client vertical we historically referred to as other, which included home services and B2B, represented 11% of Q3 revenue and declined 6% year over year to $13.8 million. As Doug discussed, we divested our B2B business in the middle of February. Moving forward, we will refer to our other client vertical as simply home services. Home services revenue for the third quarter grew 8% year over year to $11.5 million.

Year-over-year revenue growth in home services slowed somewhat due to coronavirus as consumers limited their exposure to outsiders in their homes. Our education client vertical represented 12% of Q3 revenue and grew 4% year over year to $15.4 million. Moving on to adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted EBITDA was $9.3 million or 7% of revenue.

Profitability in the quarter was negatively impacted by the loss of top-line leverage and media buying efficiency primarily due to pandemic-related client budget cuts and media drops in the quarter. Turning to the balance sheet. We had a good quarter overall, growing our cash balance by $21 million, including $11.1 million of proceeds from the sale of our B2B business and Brazil operations. We closed the quarter with $97.1 million and no bank debt.

Cash flow from operations was $15.2 million, and normalized free cash flow was $7.4 million or 6% of revenue. Most of our adjusted EBITDA drops to normalized free cash flow due to the low capital requirements of our business model. Looking ahead to our fiscal Q4. Forecasting with any level of certainty during this pandemic is challenging to say the least.

Our current estimate is for Q4 revenue, excluding divested businesses, to be down between 5% and 10% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA and cash flow margins are expected to be positive in the lower single digits as we absorb full quarter effects of coronavirus-related drops and top-line leverage and media efficiency. For your modeling purposes, Q4 2019 revenue, excluding divested businesses, was $116.1 million. In summary, despite the impact of coronavirus during the quarter, we are pleased with our financial performance and remain optimistic about the underlying strength of our business over the long term.

QuinStreet has a highly resilient business model, and we've proven our ability to perform well over the past 20 years during economic downturns. There are three key points that can help investors better understand our business model. First, we have a highly variablized financial model, which has allowed us to be adjusted EBITDA and cash flow positive during difficult times. The largest cost on our P&L is media, which fluctuates with revenue.

So when revenue goes down, our largest cost also declines. Second, during difficult economic times, consumers tend to shop to lower their monthly expenses. QuinStreet's performance marketplaces embedded across the world's largest shopping channel, the Internet, helped consumers save money. And finally, we have a great balance sheet with nearly $100 million of cash, low bank debt and expect to continue to generate positive cash flows from our business moving forward.

With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Questions & Answers:


Thank you, sir. [Operator instructions] We'll take our first question from Carter Trent with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Carter Trent -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just wonder, what kind of feedback have you been getting from the carriers who are already using the QRP platform? And also, what do you attribute to the recent pipeline growth?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Carter. I got the first question. The second half, I didn't get clearly, so I may have to ask you that one again. The feedback's been very positive.

In fact, unanimously positive about the performance of the platform and about how it's helping their operations. We just had a client -- I got sent a text from a client just a few days ago, the most recently launched client, that said, we don't need any more testing. We're rolling this out across the floor. This thing is as good as it can be.

So we're super pleased with the performance of the platform. And the feedback again has been unanimously positive and in some cases, like I just covered, growing [Inaudible], so very good progress on QRP. In terms of the -- I think you said to what you attribute the growth of the platform. You mean the QRP platform?

Carter Trent -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Yeah, the pipeline. Yeah.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We have just an extraordinarily strong pipeline that has been worked by industry veterans with great connections. The feedback from the pilot clients and pilot efforts that we did a year or two ago, we're very positive and folks new about that. Some of our carrier partners are working the pipeline for us.

This is something I think we've talked about in individual sessions. I'm not sure I've ever talked about on the calls, but this is not just a QuinStreet initiative. The largest carriers in the independent agent channel are very aggressively backing this platform. And in many cases, in fact, I think the majority of our launched and advanced pipeline clients, at least the ones at the signing stage, were referrals from big agency partners -- I'm sorry, big carrier partners.

So I think that combination that's a great product proven, great feedback from the initial pilot clients and then you have carriers pushing it alongside us with a team that's out of the industry and what -- connected in the industry. I think all those things are working in our favor, and there are very, very strong winds at our back. It is -- again, it delivers -- we have had reports of it delivering upwards of 40% improvement in productivity for the agents. So that's pretty staggering in terms of the benefits you can see.

And it's not surprising, right? This is a unified platform. You enter the data once. You get multiple competing quotes. Those quotes, because we have the most integrations end to end with the big carriers, are much more active than previous quotes.

You don't get a lot of requoting. You don't get a lot of misquoting. You don't have to enter the data two, three, four times. You want to get two, three, four quotes from two, three, four carriers, and it's a benefit on top of benefit on top of benefit.

So this is just a very, very fundamental improvement in the channel. And then for our carrier partners, not only do they get more productivity out of the channel, which is important because this is a very big channel for them, but they get much better workflow management, workflow control, which would mean reduced cost, better quality and vastly improved reporting from every angle that they want. So it's just a great product at the right time and a good channel and everybody benefits. So it's one of the business opportunities you get excited about as a business person to have something that works so well to deliver so much value for everybody.

So I would say that that's the QRP report.

Carter Trent -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Gotcha. That's helpful. Thanks, Doug.


We'll take our next question from Jason Kreyer with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

Good afternoon, gentlemen. Apologies if I ask a question that's already been addressed. I was waiting to get into the queue for a bit here. But just wondering if you can walk through the last several weeks' financial performance on a channel basis, I mean, I think you called out that auto insurance has remained pretty strong through this market.

So just wondering what components of the business are seeing the most impact from the economic slowdown or COVID.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

You bet. Let's start with auto insurance. Auto insurance remains strong throughout the quarter and actually gained steam. And March was, I think, Greg, the strongest month of the quarter.

Correct me if I -- that's not correct.

Greg Wong -- Chief Financial Officer

That's right. We accelerated throughout the quarter in our auto insurance business, which resulted in March being a record month for -- in the history of the company in auto insurance.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

And so auto insurance remains strong. It's a combination of a number of factors. First of all, all the carriers are doing pretty well because of the reduced driving, reduced incident rates, so they have a lot of money. They want to -- they'd like to put that money back into marketing and share gains.

They expect this to be a period of heavy shopping, both because consumers are at home and online more and because a lot of consumers are going to be financially challenged. And one of the things, and Greg alluded to this, that consumers do when they're financially challenged, they shop the line items, monthly line items, including insurance and see if they can save money. And in almost every case, because of the complexity of the insurance market and the changing dynamics of that market, if you shop, you're probably going to save money. And it's not unusual at all.

You see reports from our carrier partners. But back when we were running our own shopping service, direct-to-consumer shopping service,, we were seeing on average for consumers that shopped and switched $400 a year and so that's meaningful to the average consumer. So insurance -- and by the way, let me not mention. Let me make sure I do mention.

I don't want to be remiss to not mention. The team has got a great set of initiatives that are very fundamental and very long-term oriented. And we're making great progress on those initiatives, and those are continuing and adding a lot to that momentum. So for all those reasons, auto insurance, of course, is our biggest business, is now well over 50%, I think, of revenue or still around 50% of revenue at least.

And we'll be well over as we finish divestitures, is doing very well. The businesses that fared worst during the pandemic were credit cards and personal loans. They were both down considerably in the quarter and started deteriorating in probably late January, start -- the slope increase down in February and continued down in March and seem to kind of plateau -- hit equilibrium near the end of the month and certainly in April. And so those businesses were deteriorating because the banks and the lenders are having a hard time keeping up with the rapid changes in the macroeconomic environment and the consumer credit as a result of that deterioration.

Very hard to underwrite consumers. A few weeks ago, 3% of them were unemployed, and now 20% are unemployed. So you've seen a natural pulling back and a natural constraining of standards or filters and raising of standards, I should say. And so those businesses were most impacted.

They've been -- and knock on wood because, again, we're dependent -- it continues. I would -- as I indicated, pretty much stabilized in late March and April, and we're seeing more stability around this hopeful, sustainable bottom and plateau going into May. Obviously, we haven't been through a pandemic before, so we don't know. But typically, what happens in these instances is the clients pull back until they get more clarity and/or adjust their portfolios and underwriting models and then they start easing back in.

We have not seen much easing back in yet, but we haven't seen the second leg down either. So we've been at a point of stability, as I said, for a month or two now. And so those businesses were down considerably and not quite as much as I've heard reported in some other places for us as others, but they were down considerably. And then the business in between is home services.

And we are in about 10 to 12 services or some verticals, if you will, in home services. The services that require folks to come into your home are down pretty hard in home services comparably so, I would say, to the credit cards and personal loans drops. And of course, that's for different reasons. In this case, it's mainly because consumers aren't looking because of social isolation or shelter in place, shelter at home.

The services related more to the exterior of the home, and we have a lot of those or to home security or health-related products that go into home are doing very well. And so it's a little bit of a tale of two cities in home services. So that business is down maybe a third as much as personal loans and credit cards as we were able to much more quickly shift our efforts to the places where there's more of a tailwind and less of a headwind. So those were -- if you look at the mix of businesses that matter most, that's kind of what we're seeing.

By the way, I should mention our banking business, which is a new and expanding and rapidly growing piece of our business, did pretty well. We saw pretty good activity from source of funds, marketing and from investment management marketing. And so we're shifting a lot of our banking -- a lot of our efforts from the team, that same team runs credit cards and banking at the senior level. They're shifting all their efforts over to banking while we wait out some of the credit card problems.

So that's kind of the mix.

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

I appreciate all the color you gave there. I wanted to focus on one of those components you talked about in personal loans. I know when you made the AmOne acquisition a year or so ago, one of the components of that was the turndown service. I think it was like a credit repair credit monitoring service.

Has that held in there a little bit, helping to offset a little bit of the challenge in there? Or has that not really had a meaningful bounce either?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

It has. It had an initial drop and shutdown, too, because once people go through these credit repair and/or debt forgiveness processes, they still have some obligations. And there was fear that locking consumers into new obligations in such a rapidly changing environment was dangerous, and so we saw an initial hit there, initial -- pretty dramatic drop in activity in client demand. And we've seen that come back much more aggressively than the lending side.

And 40% or more of our historic personal loans business is in that category. So we're somewhat diversified in that business because we do have and represent those services for consumers and unfortunately, we're probably going to go through a period where a lot more consumers need those services.

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

OK. Great. And then two quick ones on QRP. Just one, at this current environment with having everybody work from home, is that creating any delays to rollouts of any particular carriers or agents? And then number two, just wondered if you could address the opportunity for captive agents as it relates to QRP.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

You bet. I'd say, if you ask the team working the pipeline for QRP, they would say not -- no meaningful effects, and they're not -- and they would say -- and I'm proud of them for this. They're saying we're not going to use that as an excuse [Inaudible]. But realistically, some of the agencies' launch time lines moved a little bit largely because they're working from home and their engineering staff is working from home, and it's just a little bit harder to get stuff done.

But I would say that those delays, while measurable, don't change our outlook for that business growth. We still are very bullish on that business and expect that to be very big over the -- and to be coming at us really hard over the next year or two. So some is the answer but still a, as you heard, very healthy progress and a very healthy pipeline, and we're super excited about the clients that we have launched and watching their ramp so that we can -- each quarter, we'll report to you what we know. And we now have revenue.

There's not a lot of revenue yet because the agency clients are newly launched and doing their own testing and making sure everybody's trained because it does require training to use the new platform. But as you heard, one of the clients said, hey, we don't need any more training. We don't need any more testing. We're going into the whole floor.

This thing is working fine for us. We're hoping to see a lot more of them. And if we do, then as we report to you next quarter, we would like to begin to report once it becomes a meaningful item, just -- not just the opportunity but the actual revenue. And then we'll begin to be able to model ramps and be able to give you a better sense for timing.

But I think the ramp of this business is likely to be months to quarters, not years. It's hard to not use a platform that delivers us much value. And it's so simple to integrate. It's a SaaS product of course.

It's not like you have to do a lot of integration generally. And the productivity increases that you're going to see in your business for a price point that's really competitive with historic much less capable systems at this point is super compelling. So we're very focused on it. We're very pleased with the progress.

We've got a lot of support from a client base on the agency side. We're getting a lot of support from the client base on the carrier side. And so that's why we're willing to keep telling you what we know and we've given you -- much like we did last quarter, we gave you some pipeline stats. We felt like it's important to continue to give you pipeline stats, and hopefully, we'll be able to start adding revenue in the not-too-distant future.

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

On the --

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. Captive agents. I'd say that little -- less but not zero opportunity on the captive agent side for QRP. So they don't -- they are captive agents, so they're representing one carrier's product.

The biggest -- best examples being, of course, the great networks at State Farm, Allstate and Farmers and have -- which are kind of some of the best known, biggest brands with captive agent networks. So they have their own systems for their own product. That being said, I don't think it's crazy to expect that there may be some adoption of this product to allow those agents to broaden their product line. I'm not saying that there's 100% that we -- chance we'll go and do that.

But I would also say there's definitely not 100% chance it won't happen, and we are having productive discussions with a lot of carriers about using QRP. And those carriers run the full range of captive independent direct.

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

All right. Thanks for the color. Appreciate it.


We'll take our next question from Jim Goss with Barrington Research.

Jim Goss -- Barrington Research Associates -- Analyst

Thanks. Got a couple also. One, you've talked about having SaaS-type margin levels for QRP. Could you flesh out a little what type of margin profile you expect either earlier or at maturity?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. And the difference between this product, although it's highly complementary, of course, to our historic core business and it's spun out of our historic core business and serves the same channels of clients, is that there's no media cost. And as you know, Jim, historically, media runs approximately -- or over the past several years, media costs run about 70% of revenue. And so we believe that the -- we expect the gross margins on QRP to be 90% plus.

We have an engineering team, and we have some folks who work in sales pipeline and account management. Most of those folks -- some of those folks -- not many of them will be applied to gross margin, which means that we expect a contribution margin. So after all direct expenses, to be somewhere in the 70% to 80% range and we expect to be at that level as soon as we get to kind of somewhere in the -- I don't know, Greg. Is it mid-single-digit millions of dollars of revenue that we hit the 70% and start ramping from there?

Greg Wong -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's right.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

So this is a -- and as it scales, it's just very little incremental cost to us for new clients. So it's a classic SaaS-like business. It's a software package that you log into, into our cloud, and then you apply it and use it in your operations. And we charge you on a usage basis commensurate with historic products, systems that these agencies are used to using.

We're not changing the pricing model on them. We're just giving a better product and pricing competitively with legacy products, so you get great adoption and hopefully continued great performance.

Jim Goss -- Barrington Research Associates -- Analyst

OK. And there was a comment you made about a $400 million plus of revenue base. Is that the current revenue base adjusted for just a couple of areas you've divested, Brazil and B2B? Or is it after you've adjusted out perhaps some other areas, whether it's credit card and personal loan, if you thought that was more than temporary or some other areas you might choose to divest to get to the businesses you want to run on a continuing basis?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. The revenue, excluding divested businesses numbers that we talk about in the press release and that I and Greg talked about, only exclude B2B, Brazil and, Greg, mortgage?

Greg Wong -- Chief Financial Officer

No, just B2B and Brazil.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Just B2B and Brazil. And so that's the comparator. I would say that you should not assume that we are necessarily done with our review of divestiture opportunities or programs. I would also say you can't -- you should not necessarily assume that we aren't done.

We are continuing to evaluate aggressively options in some other areas to decide what we think is the right thing to do and whether or not some of those businesses can compete for the position in our core where we -- with the requirements really being the ability to -- big scale opportunities with the ability to more predictably and aggressively grow revenue and expand margin and defend and take out some of the unpredictability and volatility that we've seen. So certainly, we did not meet those requirements for us. We just never found a way to make that into our model. Brazil did not -- is coming way too slow -- too difficult to break into the market with our model given what was going on down there, and the incumbents were very different market model, which was not as good for the clients but still dominated and too difficult to get through the noise.

And I'd say that we have a couple of other areas that we're looking at and that we're assessing either as divestitures or places where if they -- if we keep them until they prove they can compete for the new footprint, at a minimum, they will be -- their investments will be cut pretty dramatically. So we're going to get down to this footprint one way or the other and -- but in terms of the numbers, as Greg said, the numbers exclude -- just what we used in the press release, including the growth numbers, I guess, and in my script just exclude B2B and Brazil. So [Inaudible].

Jim Goss -- Barrington Research Associates -- Analyst

Just one last one. Have you -- and I know you said the Goldman Sachs-led process is put on hold a little bit for -- because of the coronavirus issue. Do you have a time frame over which you'd like to get down to what the core businesses are so that you then have a time frame and revenue base to grow from? Is that another year or two? Or is it sort of a rolling type process?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Much sooner than a year or two. Honestly, we would like to make decisions and execute options as soon as possible, and we're behaving accordingly. I can tell you that, internally, ideally we'd like to have it done by the beginning of the next fiscal year. Whether or not we can get that done remains to be seen.

At a minimum, I'd like to know exactly what we're going to do with each of those businesses by beginning of the next fiscal year. So -- and as you know, that's two months away.

Jim Goss -- Barrington Research Associates -- Analyst

OK. Thanks very much. Appreciate it.


[Operator instructions] We'll take our next question from Adam Klauber with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon. How has the debt repair business done since COVID set in? And is that something -- I would think in a tougher economy could potentially pick up also.

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

It initially did not do well because, again, they, too, were trying to make sure they adjusted their models for rapidly changing consumer credit environment. And then we saw it begin to pick up and has recovered much more quickly than the lending side. And we agree that that's a business that, unfortunately, is probably going to get bigger in the next months, quarters and years for too many years as the -- as we continue to wrestle with this -- with unemployment, the bad economic environment. And I think, as you know, historically, that's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% to 50% of our business on the personal loan side.

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

Great. And then as far as your fourth-quarter forecast, insurance, again, was very strong. I think you said you had a record March. Did you conservatively say that that business does -- considerably may not grow as much in your forecast for fourth quarter as you saw in the third quarter?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Our current forecast has that business growing pretty close to the same rate that it grew in the third quarter.

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

OK. OK. And then as far as the education business, sorry if you said this already, how is the more traditional non-for-profit schools? Are they still out there spending money?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

They are except on the campus basis. What we saw in education from a coronavirus dynamic standpoint was a dramatic drop very quickly in campus-based marketing budgets as you can well imagine because they don't know if they're even going to have people on campus in the fall. So why market for them? And that's pretty meaningful for us. I don't think it was quite 50% of our business in education.

It used to be. But it was -- it's quite meaningful. And again, I don't have the number in front of me, but if I were to guess, my estimate would be it was going into coronavirus, so it was probably in the 30% plus range, and it went away almost completely. And so we had to pivot very hard in education over to online.

And so what we are seeing is a lot of growth in online programs and online demand including for the not-for-profit schools and a pretty aggressive shift over from those folks in terms of their interest and budgets. And so that team, growing 4%, 5% year over year in last quarter, which was pretty a herculean task on their part because they had to move hard and fast to get that done, so still growing, still a big opportunity. Still -- jury is still out in terms of whether or not that's going to be able to compete for a place in the core. We are evaluating that.

We're excited about the team that's working on it now. But we're also evaluating whether or not that's the business that's going to compete with the core and so what could the outcomes be? We're going to keep it, keep investing in it as we continue to demonstrate that we can grow in the not-for-profit world and that we can growing other nondegree programs like coding camps and certificate programs and those kinds of areas. That would be the case for keeping it and growing it and investing in it. There's a case for keeping it but not investing until they demonstrate those things.

If we think that that could still happen in some highly probabilistic way and then there's a case for divesting that business that we'll be evaluating as well. So we're going through that full assessment, and we'll make a decision. And again, as I told Jim, in coming months, not coming quarters or years.

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

Thanks. And then a last question on QRP. Are you expecting much revenue to start hitting next quarter? Or is the actual revenue expected still to be maybe two, three quarters out?

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

We have revenue now. It's just not very much yet. So it's -- we have more -- we had revenue last quarter. But again, if you can imagine, it's -- we had a few launched agency clients with a few of their agents testing and training.

So it was pretty de minimis. And so we will have revenue this quarter. How much? We just can't tell yet. Again -- and I know you guys are sick and tired hearing me say this, but we've just never done it before.

So I would say that I don't expect us to have seven-figure plus revenue in QRP in all likelihood until next fiscal year, which, of course, is just two months away. And just hard for me to see us getting the five or so agencies that are not live do testing and training and rolled out across their floor fast enough to get any -- to do any better than that. But I would say that it's hard to -- it's just as hard to imagine, but we won't have at least seven figures, and it looks more like eight figures revenue in QRP next fiscal year given the strength of the pipeline, the launch of clients and all those things. So that's kind of how we're looking at.

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

OK. Great. Thank you very much, guys.


[Operator instructions] At this time, this will conclude today's question-and-answer session. A replay of today's call will be available starting today, May 6, 2020, at 7:00 p.m. Central Time Zone and ending on May 13, 2020, 7:00 p.m. Central Time Zone by dialing the following phone numbers, (719) 457-0820 and toll-free (888) 203-1112 with a passcode of 7941495.

Thank you. [Operator signoff]

Duration: 51 minutes

Call participants:

Erica Abrams -- Investor Relations Contact

Douglas Valenti -- Chief Executive Officer

Greg Wong -- Chief Financial Officer

Carter Trent -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Jason Kreyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC -- Analyst

Jim Goss -- Barrington Research Associates -- Analyst

Adam Klauber -- William Blair and Company -- Analyst

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