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ATRO earnings call for the period ending December 31, 2020.

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Astronics (ATRO 1.49%)
Q4 2020 Earnings Call
Feb 23, 2021, 11:00 a.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Greetings. Welcome to the Astronics Corporation fourth-quarter and fiscal-year 2020 financial results conference call. [Operator instructions] A question-and-answer session will follow the full presentation. [Operator instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded.

I will now turn the conference over to your host, Debbie Pawlowski, investor relations for Astronics Corporation. You may begin.

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

Thanks, Jamali, and good morning, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in Astronics. Joining me on the call are Peter Gundermann, our chairman, president, and CEO; and David Burney, our chief financial officer. You should have a copy of the fourth-quarter and full-year 2020 financial results that was released this morning.

If not, you can find them on our website at Let me mention that we may make some forward-looking statements during this formal discussion, as well as during the Q&A session. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties, as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks, and uncertainties, and other factors are provided in the earnings release, as well as with other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

These documents can be found on our website or at During today's call, we will also discuss some non-GAAP financial measures. We believe that these will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results in accordance with GAAP.

We have provided reconciliations of non-GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's release. With that, let me turn it over to Pete to begin. Peter.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Debbie, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for tuning in. Our rough agenda today will be to summary -- summarize our fourth quarter of 2020 and 2020 in review. We'll talk about our financial status, including our -- our bank arrangements, and we'll turn our attention to a brief review of our outlook as we are in the early days here of 2021.

And of course, Q&A at the end. And we'll start with a premise though. And the premise is this. We are very well aware that we are still being heavily affected by the COVID pandemic, but we are increasingly of the opinion that solid progress is being made and a line of sight is being established for recovery in chosen markets and for our company.

And we're going to spend quite a bit of time on this call talking about kind of the green shoots that we are seeing and why we're increasingly confident that -- that the worst is behind us. But first, let me remind everybody what our major goals are as a company as we've worked our way through this pandemic for almost a year now. And they are first and foremost the protection of our employees and the safety of our work -- workplace. A lot of credit goes to our employees who have done phenomenal things working through this period of time.

And in under very unexpected and difficult circumstances, they've done a really good job. Our second objective is to keep meeting the requirements that our customers have placed on us. They've trusted us with some pretty important programs. And even in a difficult circumstances, our objective is to stay up to speed with those expectations because they are important for our future beyond this pandemic, which we hope at some point is a distant memory in the past.

So as such, our third goal or requirement is to, as best we can, position the company for survival during the pandemic, and more importantly, success afterwards. And to this end, we definitely realized that having just reported a year of $500 million in revenue and looking at our income statement, that we are not optimized for financial success at $500 million. We are surviving at $500 million, but we have the infrastructure of a larger company and our expectation is that our revenue base will grow as recovery comes -- comes to us. So all that is to say that from our perspective, as we sit here today in February of 2021, it is all about demand.

That's the important thing to monitor. That's the important thing to watch. And -- and that's what we are looking at very closely. So for the first part of my discussion here, I want to talk about what's happening with demand.

And again, our perspective as we see for the first time in many, many months, quite a bit more good news on the horizon than bad. And though we're not out of the woods by any stretch, we're cautiously optimistic that the -- that the worst is behind us. So stepping through our core markets, here is what we see. As a reminder, 70% of our volume before the COVID pandemic came from the commercial transport market.

And that's primarily Boeing and Airbus and the airlines that fly those airplanes. And for that market to be successful, we need people flying again. And it's somewhat obvious I suppose at this point. But since we last talked, there have been a number of high efficacy, very safe vaccines introduced to the market.

Again, an obvious observation. But -- but really good news in terms of setting us up for the future. The expectation in our company and for the industry is that as the vaccines take hold, especially in the rich world, the second half of 2021 should see an increase in traffic, which is good for everybody in the industry. The second piece of news since we last talked, and again, this is pretty obvious to anybody who follows the industry, is that the 737 Max has been recertified.

The 737 Max is an important program to Astronics back in 2019 before the pandemic. It was our single largest aircraft production program and talk across the entire company for which we provide a minimum of $90,000 per aircraft built, and depending on how it's configured, that total can increase up to $250,000 or so. We do not expect much impact from that recertification in the first half of the year as Boeing is building at a rather low rate and they're going to burn off inventory that accumulated when the production shut down almost a year ago. But we expect in the second half that that will start to have a meaningful impact on our financials.

And if Boeing hits their production -- anticipated production rates going into 2022, it should again be one of our larger programs across our company. Switching to the general aviation business jet market, that was before the pandemic about 10% of our volume. The good news here is that most OEMs are planning to -- major OEMs are planning an increased production rates from 2020 substantially in 2021. So most cut production rates on the heels of the pandemic in 2020, most are publicly saying they're going to increase rates again in 2021.

Most part of business in the -- the GA market is -- is our line fit. So production rates are really important to us. The third and final part of our core market is the government defense area, which for us includes military aircraft, and almost all of our test business, that would be about 20% of our volume pre-pandemic. We expect that spending in this area will continue to be strong going through 2021.

There's obviously not a lot of changes in Washington DC. We do not expect those changes to affect our prospects in the government and defense realm in the short term. So how is all this playing out for us in current bookings? Our Q4 bookings were $116 million. That's up 42% over Q3.

And Q3 was up 33% over Q2. So again, not out of the woods, $116 million in bookings is a -- is a far cry from where we were pre-pandemic at 170 or $180 million average through 2019. But again, when you look at the patterns, Q2 of $62 million, and Q3 at $82 million, Q4 of $116 million, the trend is certainly going in the right direction. Aerospace bookings in the fourth quarter were up 14%.

Test had a great quarter, up 150% over a year ago. That was on the heels of a previously announced transit test program for the Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority through our customer, Stadler Rail, a combined of $30 million program, which we'll be executing over the next couple of years. So the real focus that we're watching these days is for the airline aftermarket. I talked to earlier about 70% of our volume in the commercial transports, and of that 70%, about two-thirds are line fit, one-third is aftermarket.

Line fit is relatively easy to keep a tab on because of the well-publicized and published production rates, primarily again at Boeing and Airbus. The aftermarket is a little bit harder to get a handle on in terms of what plans are. But qualitatively, what I can tell you today is that we have noticed a significant increase in general activity over the last three or four months. So airlines went into a shell from our perspective basically as the pandemic took hold and travel collapsed.

In recent months, activity has picked up in terms of quoting activity and program activity. Not necessarily translating into orders yet. There's a lot more potential there. But we're encouraged by the pickup from the airline aftermarket.

We can concur with most observers in the industry that that activity is -- is more closely associated with narrow-body aircraft ra -- rather than a wide-body aircraft, and more closely correlated with domestic travel rather than international travel. We can also agree with the industry that the U.S. and China seem to be exhibiting more activity and more health, while Europe lags significantly. And that's simply because of the quarantine requirements and travel restrictions that exist throughout Europe today.

So switching over to our Q4 financials. Very briefly, revenue of $115 million. Again, we know is very depressed, down 42% year over year, but up 8% sequentially. I talked just moments ago about booking trends from Q2 to Q3 to Q4.

Shipments, at least for now, have bottomed out in Q3 and about rebounded a little bit, 8% in Q4. We took significant cost reductions early on in the pandemic. I'm not going to go through them again, but those pandemics have allowed us to have reasonable results given the situation we feel on our income statement. GAAP net income in the fourth quarter was a negative $20 million, or down 17%, due significantly to a large income tax expense, which I will let my friend, Dave, explain in just a minute.

Adjusted EBITDA of $2.9 million or 2.5%. Cash from operations in the fourth quarter of $5.8 million. For the year, sales of $500 million, again, down significantly from $773 million and down even more significantly from the $800 million-plus that we thought we would do in 2020. The entire drop was in our aerospace segment, down -- which is down 40% 2020 over 2019.

Tests, excluding our semiconductor business, which we sold two years ago, was up 15% for the year. Again, benefiting from a couple of small acquisitions we did in 2019, some strengthening in mass transit test market, and continued government spending kind of across the board. On sales of $503 million, our GAAP net loss of $116 million was down from income in 2019 of $52 million. Adjusted EBITDA in 2020 was a negative $29 million, excuse me, positive $29 million, down from $88 million.

And cash from operations was $37.3 million, down from 40 -- $42.7 million in 2019. So the best thing I can say about 2020, some -- with that brief summary is good riddance. We're happy to be mo -- moving on. I'll turn it over to Dave now to talk about the status with our balance sheet and our banking arrangements.


Dave Burney -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Pete. Just -- I want to say a quick explanation of the -- the fourth quarter in the -- in the -- in the full-year tax expense is a -- is a little bit crazy if you look at it. Our GAAP net loss for the quarter was $20 million. And the key driver in that was a $14.1 million non-cash valuation allowance we're required to record against our deferred tax assets.

The interpretation of GAAP when it comes to assessing the realized availability of deferred tax assets looks more to past results rather than future profit expectations. The company has a cumulative tax loss for the last three years. The guidance, we're required to abide by calls into question the future reliability of any deferred tax assets that are sitting on the balance sheet and typically requires a valuation allowance to be placed against those deferred tax assets. While consideration may be given to the company's forecasts, the historical three-year cumulative loss is typically weighted more heavily so the company may be forecasting a profitable future.

But because of the cumulative loss over the past three years, it's generally required to record a reserve against its deferred tax assets. This has no impact on cash taxes. Once we return to a three-year cumulative income, we'll see a lower effective tax rate than what would otherwise be expected as that deferred tax asset reserve gets reversed. I'll say that regarding net cash taxes for 2021, we expect them to be minimal.

Limited primarily to some state tax offset by some annual will carry-back refunds. Again, the important thing in this is that there's no cash impact now or in the future on this reserve. Now, with no question, this year has been extremely difficult for Astronic and most aerospace companies. We went from having a budget entering 2020 expecting over $800 million in sales then hit a wall late in the first quarter caused by the global pandemic.

We're in just nine months, our quarterly sales went from a $198 million run rate in the fourth quarter of 2019 to just $106 million in the third quarter in 2021. We took quick action to adjust as best we could to the sudden change in our world. These moves were painful and unfortunately involved a lot of sacrifice from our employees and they should be commended. While we're able to lower our cost structure, unfortunately, much of the cost savings had to come by reducing our headcount.

Additional cost reductions were a result of freezing pay adjustments, eliminating bonuses, eliminating company contributions to retirement plans, and other spending cutbacks. As we're currently operating, our quarterly GAAP breakeven point is estimated to be around one $125 million in sales. Additionally, we reduced spending by cutting discretionary capex and halted our stock buyback programs back in the first quarter. These were all critical to -- to weathering the storm that we're going through now.

The second very important piece required us to work through this puzzle with our bank group. We were able to work with our very supportive team of banks to amend our credit facility to suspend our maximum leverage ratio and replace it temporarily with more appropriate covenants given the circumstances. Because of these moves and the support of our banks we've been and expect to remain compliant with our debt covenants. For the fourth quarter, we had positive cash flow from operations of $5.8 million and ended the year with a positive cash flow from operations of $37.3 million.

And on a positive note, we were able to finally reduce our inventory during the quarter by about $6.4 million which is a good change from the first several quarters of the year. Just to recap, our amended credit facility we amended it in early May. It matures in February of 2023 and it's a $375 million revolving credit facility. The key financial covenants are first -- there is a maximum leverage covenant that was waived until the third quarter of 2021.

The suspension period, we -- we refer to this as. And then, it begins phasing in starting at six times adjusted EBITDA is defined in the agreement decreasing to 5.5 times in the fourth quarter. Then further decline to 4.5 times in Q1 2022, and then ultimately to 3.7 times -- 3.75 times thereafter. It's important to note that adjusted EBITDA as it's defined in the credit agreement allows for ad backs of non-cash expenses that typically are shown as non-cash items on the statement of cash flows.

Also, I should note as we mentioned in the press release, that we were recently notified by the acquirer of our semiconductor business that they have calculated an earn-out due to us of about $10.7 million. We're reviewing the calculations and expect to record this after we confirm the calculation likely in the first quarter. The cash we received will count toward our adjusted EBITDA under -- under the earn-out agreement for the covenant purposes. There are two key financial covenants during the suspension period: a minimum liquidity and a minimum interest coverage ratio.

Through the third quarter of 2021, we're required to maintain minimum liquidity of $180 million. Liquidity is defined as cash plus the undrawn balance on the revolver. That 12/31/20 with $242 million of liquidity or a $62 million cushion. Through the second quarter of 2021, we're required to maintain an interest coverage ratio of 1.75 times interest expense except for the first quarter of 2021, which is only 1.5 times.

At 12/31/20, our interest coverage ratio was roughly 6 times. Other covenants include a temporary restriction on acquisitions, share repurchases, and dividends. Regarding the pricing grid, our current debt is priced at 75%. The formula is its LIBOR plus 225 basis points that our current leverage with a LIBOR of 100 basis points.

Our outstanding balance on the revolver at year-end was $173 million, up slightly from the third quarter but down $15 million from the end of 2019. On a net debt basis which is what our debt covenants consider, net debt was $132.6 million, compared with $156.1 million at the end of 2019, a decrease of $23.5 million. As I mentioned previously, we cut capex spending as response to the business slowdown as well. In 2020, we spent $7.5 million on capex, compared with $12.1 million in 2019.

And we have a plan to spend a bit over $10 million -- $10 million to 11 million in capex for 2021. And that's it for me, Pete. Back to you.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

OK. So, to wrap up looking ahead to 2020, one we are unfortunately still unable to provide any kind of quality guidance especially for the second half of the year. We said in our release. We expect the first half of 2021 to look a lot like the second half of 2020 with the observation that Q1 revenues are likely to be light at around $100 million.

This implies a substantially stronger Q2, obviously, and it's more just the nature of how orders are timed than anything else. But in general, we expect the first half demand-wise to look like the second half of 2021. The other first-half wrinkle will be the earn-out potential that they have talked about and what is today a $10.7 million value, which we're reviewing. And the real issue again for the second half and for the year in total comes back to demand and comes back to bookings.

Bookings in the first half will drive shipments in the second half. So, we're paying very close attention to what is happening currently. And by the time we report again, which should be the beginning of May, we should have a good grip on how the first half is shaking out and what the second half is likely to have to -- to hold for us as a company. I think that is our prepared remarks.

So, Jamali, if you want to open up the question line, we'll entertain those now.

Questions & Answers:


Sure. And at this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] One moment please while we poll for questions. And our first question is from Luke Cummings with Beach Point Capital.

Please proceed with the question.

Luke Cummings -- Beach Point Capital -- Analyst

Hi, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Definitely holding in well there. Just wondering could you talk a little bit about retrofits whether you're seeing any increased activity there and what portion of sales was pre-COVID in terms of commercial air space, at least?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. The retrofit -- it's a little hard to know the number with certainty. We obviously know what we ship to say an airline as opposed to Boeing but we have -- some of our biggest customers especially in the in-flight entertainment world provide both. So, Panasonic, traditionally, has been a very large customer of ours.

We ship to Panasonic. A fair amount of their product goes to say Boeing or airbus for line-fit but also those MROs for retrofit. And we don't always know how that split plays out but in general, the rule of thumb that we use is that of the 70% of our traditional kind of business that wants a commercial aero -- aircraft, roughly two-thirds with line-fit and one-third was aftermarket. So, you know, approximately, 20% of our total, which is significant.

And most of our aftermarket sales are our in-flight entertainment-related. Either electrical power for passengers or connectivity equipment or wireless access points or data loaders, things like that. So, it's dependent on airlines upgrading their IFE -- in-flight and entertainment amenity for passengers, which is an interesting place to be as we as the industry crawls out of a pandemic. Unlike a lot of companies, our aftermarket initiatives are not closely linked to say the number of landings or the number of flight hours or the number of flights or even the number of passengers.

It's really related to what kind of service the airlines want to offer their -- their flying passengers. And so, one of the questions that you haven't necessarily asked but it's probably a reasonable thing on people's mind is let's say the industry recovers in the second half, are we likely to see aftermarket sales increase ahead of that or along with it or maybe after it as the airlines repair their balance sheets? And the answer is we're kind of running an experiment here. We don't really know. It's been, you know, the last time this happened is almost 20 years ago when the industry went through this kind of shock and it was over in about three months.

So, we're -- we're running out of experiments here and the best guidance I can give is what I tried to do during my monologue which is we're noticing increased activity and a lot of attention. There's a, you know, you don't typically get surprised by an order a significant aftermarket order by an airline. It's typically a lot of back and forth in terms of configurations and different options and alternatives and even flight trials for new equipment which the airline wants to get comfortable with before they buy it. And all that and kind of back and forth is definitely been on the increase over the last three or four months, which gives us reason to believe that the airlines are anticipating increased traffic at least domestically in the narrow-body side.

And -- and we are in a position to participate in that when -- when they pull the triggers on those programs. So, yes, the short question you got a long answer. I hope I answered most of it.

Luke Cummings -- Beach Point Capital -- Analyst

Great. Thanks.


And our next question is from Austin Moeller with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Hi, Pete. This is Austin on for Ken.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer


Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Hi. So, just a start, can you comment on what build rate you're currently at now for the 737 MAX and where you sort of expect that to grow to in the second half of the year?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

We are approximately zero. We've been shut down for a while. So, that's an easy one. And again, we, you know, we were delivering I want to say 30 ships a month a year plus ago when Boeing shut down production.

They kept us running for a couple more months. So they accumulated some number of ships maybe 40, 50, 60 ships. And we don't know what -- I don't know specifically what they're building at now. I know they're starting very small and they're planning the ramp up over the course of the year and our expectation is that they will chew through that accumulated inventory near the middle of the year.

So, we'll start, you know, we'll -- we'll start delivering in the middle of the year for the second half of the year. And -- and I don't know the exact schedule but, you know, they -- they say they want to be running at around 30 ships a month at the beginning of 2022. So, our hope is that they get there and that demand supports it.

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

OK. Great. Yeah. Just to -- to switch gears here.

Can you provide any updates on Astronics' business jet work and what the uptake looks like on the Collins contract?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Well, most of our GA or business jet business is line set. So, the best way to kind of predict that is to look at production expectations that the major manufacturers -- I mean, Textron is obviously a big customer of ours, both with Cessna and Bell. Glad to see that customer of ours, homage to customer Bombardier, Gulfstream, Denali, pretty much everybody.

So, collectively if you look at those rates, you can see what we expect to happen with our line fit business jet work. The Collins program is a little bit unique that's more of an after-market program at this point. And it is to provide connectivity of -- satellite connectivity for larger business jets. This is something we've been working at in -- at a few swings out over the last few years.

And we're providing an antenna system out of the contribution that Collins is providing an antenna system. And it's a relatively new service or product that Collins is offering. We can't really -- we're not involved in Collins' field sales initiatives. So, it's hard for us to -- to estimate that.

But the feedback we get is that the product is being very well-received and that they think there's a great market for it. So, we did announce in the order that depending on demand could be consumed relatively quickly or it could stretch out for some period of time. Again, we don't know exactly what Collins' sales prospects are but our -- our indications that -- or hunches are that, you know, that that demand is going to be consumed relatively quickly. So, we're pretty optimistic about it.

Those who've been following our company know that before the pandemic and the good old days, we've talked about three stragglers. Our antenna company was one of the stragglers. We -- we did a lot of restructuring to fix it. We thought we're in really good shape coming into 2020 and lo and behold, it's -- it's working out.

So, we're -- we're pretty excited about that.

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Great. Well, that's definitely very optimistic and looks good for the business jet and antenna side of the business. If we -- if we think about defense now, how significant was the MQ-25 Stingray contract to revenues either in 2021 or 2022?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

It's -- it's not, in and of itself, a critical program. But let me say this, so my -- I'm going to be a little bit cryptic but, you know, we've -- we've been working on it for -- I call it a franchise for flight-critical electrical power for smaller aircraft. We -- we've been announcing various programs, the current flyer program was now the -- the Cessna Denali, the Pilatus PC-24. And -- and we're developing a -- a very capable, very intelligent system that we think is -- has really significant advantages for customers that build small aircrafts.

While small aircraft is turning into a whole bunch of different things. It's not only helicopters and jets and turboprops in the conventional sense, it's also unmanned aircraft like the one you're asking about. And also, the emerging world, potentially, of -- of pilot-less aircraft -- electric aircraft flying people around in computer settings. And it's -- this is an emerging effort in the industry certainly.

That's one that we think our franchise might be very, very well adapted to. So, that MQ-25 is a -- is an example, it's a step in that direction. We're not allowed at this point really to talk about value or shifts of content or anything like that, but we think it's an indication of, you know, where that business could go. And it's -- it's an exciting future, not necessarily for 2021 although we're making progress every year.

But when we look out, it's -- it's one of the kind of big-blue-ocean areas that we can -- that we can focus on.

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Awesome. Yeah. Definitely, a very interesting opportunity coming up either for unmanned systems or urban or -- air mobility there. Just the last question for me.

What rate are you shipping at now on the 787? And do you have a -- do you expect to stay at the level of the five months through 2021?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We're -- we don't -- most of our product on the 787 -- I'm -- I'm going to think about this. We have a little bit that goes direct to Boeing, but the majority of it goes through other companies. And most of those companies -- or most of that product is specific for various tail numbers.

So, it's reasonable to think that we're going to ship at basically Boeing's planned production rate not faster and not -- not -- not slower. So, you know, their stated goal is, you know, to be somewhere in a 60-month timeframe and -- or rate and we expect to be there with them.

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

OK, great. Thanks so much for the color. Appreciate it.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations



And our next -- I'm sorry. And our next question is from the line from Doug Ryan from Colliers. Please proceed with your question.

Doug Ryan -- Collies International -- Analyst

Thank you. Hey, Pete, can you talk a little bit on the transit side? I mean you've got a couple good wins under your belt. New York and Atlanta. What -- I mean, maybe talk about the delivery of -- of those contracts.

But what does the pipeline look like and have these two opened the door for some other opportunities?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. We -- those are significant wins from our perspective and they -- and from our perspective, demonstrate the potential that this initiative has for us. This is, as you know, Dick, relatively new. It's something which we -- I think we -- on the New York City program called R211 about a -- about a year and a half ago, and more recently now the MARTA program.

And -- and we think it's an exciting -- another blue ocean, so to speak. Trains are becoming increasingly digital and increasingly integrated and the applicability of some of our test technologies for the transit market, we think, is a really, really good fit compared to the state of the industry before. And basically, what you do is you look around the world, not only just the country, but the world at all the cities that run major transit systems. And that's our universe of potential here.

So, we -- our strategy is to get involved with various programs with various train manufacturers, not only are -- you know, maybe five major ones in the world are New York City job is with Kawasaki in Japan obviously, and our MARTA job is with Stadler. And -- and -- and we're pursuing programs in other municipalities now which, you know, maybe one by one of those two companies may be won by others, but we're quickly establishing relationships with the major train companies and our hope is to work with them on other opportunities on global basis. How big will it get? How fast will it get there? You know, we're kind of making it up as we go along here but we're encouraged at the win rate that we've got so far. We haven't lost the major one.

And -- and -- and we think there are a couple of others that we'll hopefully be able to sign up in in the current year, in 2021. So, again, a smaller part of our business, a newer part of our business but a blue ocean for potential. So, we're hopeful.

Doug Ryan -- Collies International -- Analyst

OK. Thanks. So, you mentioned kind of the Stadler company, can you kind of provide an update? Obviously, it sounds like Armstrong -- the antennas has been scaled back and -- in a good position. But how about the VVIP? And it looks -- I would assume the Armstrong and the Telefonix is positioned nicely now.

But how about the VVIP?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, you got it right. Actually, all three of those companies, we've got a number of kind of restructuring of the way we run internally including some facility consolidations and things like that that have been going on in the background over the last year, a year and a half. And all three of those companies we report through what was Telefonix, we now call the organization CSC and -- and by doing that, we're able to share some resources. We're able to, you know, be able to move people and -- and effort from one project to the other.

It's helped our cost structure and helped our competency, frankly, significantly. So -- so, AeroSat, our old antenna company, our former antenna company is on a good track with the program with Collins. We -- I guess, simultaneously improved the competency of the organization but also downsized significantly. So, it's nowhere near as big a drain as it used to be.

We still have aspirations and hopes that's going to get bigger and better. And we'll see how those play out over the course of this year. And it's kind of a similar story with Armstrong which has been physically absorbed into our Waukegan operation in Chicago. I guess -- we have two facilities in Chicago, Waukegan, and Lake Zurich.

And Armstrong has been absorbed into those two as part of CSC. And our VVIP operation that you talk about is -- is -- is doing better also. Revenues were up substantially, I don't have that in front of me exactly. But I want to say that we're expecting them to almost be double in 2021 what they were in 2019.

And part of that is that 737 MAX getting to be certified and the market opening up a little bit. So, you know, if we weren't talking about pandemic so much over the last three quarters, we maybe would have been talking more about how we've stemmed the situation there with those three and how to move past it. It was a critical part of our 2020 plan that kind of got buried in the ruble of the pandemic.

Doug Ryan -- Collies International -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.


And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. And I'll now turn the call over to Pete Gundermann for closing remarks.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, thank you much. [Inaudible] closing remarks. I appreciate everybody's attention. We look forward to talking to you at another --

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

Pete, sorry to interrupt but --

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

One more?

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

It looked like --

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Do we have a question, Deborah?

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

Jon Tanwanteng got on. Jon, did you have a question?

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst



Jon, please proceed with your question.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Hi. Deb, thank you for squeezing me in. I think my -- might -- it just didn't register when I did it before. Pete, I was just wondering if you could tell us if -- how orders have trended through January and February relative to Q4? I know you said, you know, you've seen a lot of quoting and other activity but not necessarily a translation, or is that --does it pick up at all in Aerospace or are they mostly flat with what you've seen so far?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, it's -- it's early of course, Jon, but I guess I would tell you we expect overall growth in bookings. And we're on track to do that and it's weighting more toward aerospace. So, you have the aerospace bookings quarter to date first quarter are showing another step-up in demand. So, we can hold that rate, you know, it should be a pretty good first quarter from an aerospace perspective for sure.

Test is a little lumpy. Our test jumps -- bumps [Inaudible]. Our fourth-quarter test bookings were substantial and we have potential for that again in the first quarter but you never really know. It's hard to -- it's hard to predict sometimes.

But those space is on a trend to do better in the first quarter than the fourth quarter for sure. So, we'll hope that is --

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Got it.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

True. You know, we're about halfway through. So, a lot can happen between now and then.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for that. And just to be clear, that $100 million in revenue expected, does that include that semiconductor earn-out that -- that Dave was talking about?

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer


Dave Burney -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer


Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

That will be recorded in other income, I believe. Right, Dave?

Dave Burney -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer


Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

OK. Got it. And then, just a quick one. Any impact from the -- the 777 incident that did happen a couple days ago? I know it was an older plane, so I don't think it will.

But, you know, if -- if there's anything to the planes that are out there or perhaps the 777X, any fallout for -- for it will be -- will be appreciated.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Nothing that we're aware of, Jon. I -- you know, it's a -- that's a pretty proven engine, so it's a little bit of a blip from our perspective. And it's apparently not a common engine on the 777.

So, in a worst-case scenario, it's not going to affect the fleet that much. And I guess from an industry perspective, if it has to happen, now's not a bad time for it to happen because there's a lot of extra 777s floating around to inspect. So, I don't expect it would affect the 777X at all and I -- I don't think it's going to affect international travel at all either at this point.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

OK. Great. Thank you very much, guys.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Any more, Deb?

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

No. That's it.

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

OK. Well, thanks, everybody, for tuning in. We look forward to talking after the first quarter again and have a good day.


[Operator signoff]

Duration: 51 minutes

Call participants:

Debbie Pawlowski -- Investor Relations

Pete Gundermann -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Dave Burney -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Luke Cummings -- Beach Point Capital -- Analyst

Austin Moeller -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Doug Ryan -- Collies International -- Analyst

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

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