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SHYF earnings call for the period ending December 31, 2020.

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The Shyft Group, Inc. (SHYF -0.80%)
Q4 2020 Earnings Call
Mar 11, 2021, 10:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Shyft Group fourth quarter and full-year 2020 earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Juris Pagrabs, group treasurer and head of investor relations. Please go ahead.

Juris Pagrabs -- Group Treasurer and Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Shyft Group's fourth quarter and full-year 2020 earnings call. Joining me on the call today are Daryl Adams, our president and chief executive officer; and Jon Douyard, our chief financial officer. For today's call, we've included a presentation deck, which will be filed with the SEC and is also available on our website at the shyftgroup.com. You may download the deck from the investor relations' section of the website to follow along with our presentation during the call.

Before we start today's call, please turn to Slide 2 of the presentation for our safe harbor statement. You should be aware that certain statements made during today's conference call, which may include management's current outlook, viewpoint, predictions and projections regarding the Shyft Group and its operations, may be considered forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. I caution you that as with any prediction or projection, there are a number of factors that could cause the Shyft Group's actual results to differ materially from projections. All known risks that management believes could materially affect the results are identified in our forms 10-K and 10-Q filed with the SEC.

However, there may be other risks that we cannot anticipate. On the call today, we will provide a business update before moving on to a more detailed review of the results and our outlook for 2021. We will then open the line for Q&A. I would like to remind everyone that with the divestiture of the emergency response business on February 1 this past year, the revenues and expenses associated with the ER business as well as the assets and liabilities have been reclassified as discontinued operations for all periods presented.

With this reclassification of the ER business, the results discussed today will refer to continuing operations unless otherwise noted. At this time, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Daryl for his comments beginning on Slide 3.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Juris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth quarter and full-year 2020 results. While 2020 has been categorized, by many, as unprecedented and challenging. For the Shyft Group, it was historic and transformational.

As we strategically align our product portfolio toward more profitable growth markets. Starting with the sale of our ER business. The Shyft team showed immense resilience. I cannot be more proud of their hard work and tremendous effort as we executed on our strategy and delivered a remarkable year.

We invested in innovation with the launch of Velocity, our purpose-built walk in van delivery band vehicle and is supporting our customers' growing interest in transitioning to EV technology. We continued with our M&A initiatives, completing our key acquisition in 2020 that expanded our product offerings in the service truck body market. We strengthened our leadership team and added key positions throughout the organization to support our growth as well as adding several highly qualified directors to our board. As we continue to evolve, we are optimistic as we enter 2021 and are more prepared than ever to proactively address opportunities, prioritizing the needs of all of our stakeholders in a way that reflects our goal to be nimble, aggressive and positioned to win.

We have emerged from 2020 in a stronger position and are well equipped to drive growth across our businesses for years to come. Please turn to Slide 4, where I'll discuss the current environment. Consumers continue to embrace e-commerce at accelerated rates, driving increased demand in parcel delivery and establishing a new normal or delivery capacity. This demand has required our customers to increase their delivery vehicle fleet size, which has reflected in our backlog as we ended 2020 with nearly $500 million, up 40%, which provides us with good visibility as we head into 2021.

To help our customers meet this growing demand, during the fourth quarter, we began taking orders for the Velocity F2, a purpose-built walk in van design for the Ford Transit Class 2 Chassis. This innovative new vehicle is an ideal solution for parcel delivery fleet operators that want to expand their fleet and delivery capacity quickly and complements the Velocity F3 and M3 vehicles, providing our customers alternative solutions to meet their needs. And in January, we announced Velocity F2 orders totaling 3,000 units from several customers for delivery this year. We are scheduled to begin delivering on these orders later this month from our newly upgraded flexible manufacturing facility located in Charlotte, Michigan.

The adoption of this vehicle is a great example of our work-driven design methodology, where we listen to our customers' needs, design, engineer and implement a solution. In this instance, our engineers hit it out of the park as we fulfilled our customers' demand for a more versatile and efficient delivery vehicle. We continue to make investments in support of our flexible manufacturing strategy which allows us to expand product offerings geographically and to rebalance our infrastructure to support higher levels of growth over the long run. We are introducing truck body manufacturing in Kansas City, and service body capabilities at our Florida and Michigan locations, which includes the addition of a new Chassis pool.

We continue to expand our EV capabilities and continue to invest in this area to proactively address our customers' mandate to advance adoption of green vehicles in the last mile delivery segment. To that end, we are excited about the progress the OEMs have made, in particular, the Ford Transit BEV coming out later this year. I would take a moment to address what we are seeing with respect to the availability of semiconductor chips used in vehicle manufacturing, which has been heavily publicized recently. To date, we have seen very little impact on our operations.

However, it may be a bit too early to assess the full impact of these shortages, and we will continue to monitor and keep you apprised of changes. Our luxury motor coach business continues to perform well, benefiting from the resurgence of the RV industry, as did our service body business resulting from the Royal Truck Body and DuraMag acquisitions, ramping up nicely since the peak of the pandemic. The team at DuraMag, which we acquired last October, hit the ground running, and our integration efforts are well under way. We quickly partnered with their management team to make improvements in production flow that has resulted in additional output and cost reductions.

Together with Royal Truck Body, we continue to be excited about the value creation opportunities these companies provide. With that, let me take a moment to summarize our full-year results on Slide 5. For 2020. We posted solid results despite the significant impact of the pandemic.

Once again, our results demonstrate the success and effectiveness of our business transformation strategy, which encompasses growth in higher-margin product offerings within our core markets, increasing market share, within our expanding geographic footprint and ongoing productivity improvements within our operations. Revenues for 2020 increased $10.9 million or 2% to $676 million, excluding the UPS order. Adjusted EBITDA for the year increased $12.3 million or 19% to $76 million on our adjusted EBITDA margin -- sorry, and our adjusted EBIT margin improved 280 basis points to a record 11.3%, clearly reflecting the power of our business transformation efforts. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jon to discuss Shyft's financial results for the fourth quarter in more detail as well as provide our 2020 outlook, beginning on Slide 6.

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Daryl, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide 7, and I'll provide an overview of our financial results for the fourth quarter. As Daryl indicated, 2020 was a fantastic year for the Shyft group. While our fourth-quarter financials declined year over year, our performance exceeded our expectations.

We generated significant cash flow from operations and saw an increase in orders that resulted in a sizable year-over-year backlog increase, positioning us well as we enter 2021. Revenue for the fourth quarter was $171.6 million, down slightly from the year ago quarter. Income from continuing operations was $8.3 million compared to $14.3 million a year ago. Earnings per share from continuing operations was $0.22 per share compared to $0.40 per share in the fourth quarter of 2019.

Turning to Slide 8. Q4 adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations decreased to $16 million from $23.6 million, while as a percentage of sales, adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations declined to 9.3% of sales compared to 13.1% of sales in the same period last year. For the fourth quarter, adjusted net income from continuing operations was $10.1 million, a $6.4 million decrease from $16.5 million a year ago. And adjusted EPS from continuing operations was $0.27 per share compared to $0.47 per share at this time last year.

Next, we'll jump into results by operating segment. Let's begin with fleet vehicles and services on Slide 9. Our FES business posted solid results for the quarter and full year, while working closely with customers in a dynamic environment that ultimately resulted in significant order activity. FES generated total revenue of $112.4 million compared to $132.5 million a year ago.

The decline was primarily due to lower cargo van upfit volume. Truck Body Revenue was also down versus a year ago, but improved sequentially as expected, following pandemic headwinds in the second and third quarters. In addition, it's important to note that fourth-quarter revenues were also impacted by the acceleration of vehicles into Q3 as we supported our customer demand, which we discussed in the prior call. FES adjusted EBITDA declined to $16.6 million from $21.1 million a year ago.

On a percentage basis, adjusted EBITDA margin decreased 110 basis points to 14.8% of sales, driven by lower volumes and product mix as well as investments required to support the increase in volume expected in 2021. Our backlog position was incredibly strong as we closed out the year. The pickup in order activity that we noted on our Q3 earnings call continued throughout the quarter, resulting in a record backlog of $427 million, which was up 40% first prior year. Please turn to Slide 10 for the Specialty Vehicle segment overview.

Specialty Vehicles had a good finish to the year as well, with the second consecutive quarter of strong double-digit growth in motorhome, and the completion of the DuraMag acquisition. Similar to our FES business, we saw favorable commercial demand that positions us well entering 2021. Sales of $59.2 million, an increase of $11.8 million or 25% was primarily driven by a 30% increase in luxury motor coach chassis volume as well as the addition of revenue from the DuraMag acquisition, partially offset by lower contract manufacturing volume and lower Royal Truck Body revenue due to the impact of COVID. Organically, the business grew 8% in the quarter.

Adjusted EBITDA was $6.9 million or 11.6% of sales compared to $6.9 million or $13.9 million -- or 13.9% of sales in the same period last year. As cost productivity was offset by the unfavorable mix impact of higher motor coach volume, integration-related expenses and lower efficiencies due to COVID. SV backlog was up 67% to $51 million, which included strong growth in motorhome chassis backlog as well as the backlog from our service body acquisitions. Please turn to the liquidity and outlook.

Update on Slide 11. Throughout the year, the team did a fantastic job managing cash flow and investing in our future. We generated $66 million of cash from operating activities, ending the year with $21 million of cash on hand and $147 million in total liquidity. We paid down $65 million on our revolving credit facility.

Our current leverage ratio stands at 0.4 times adjusted EBITDA, which positions us well to fund our operations and to continue to invest in our growth strategy. We also returned $11 million in cash to our shareholders in 2020 in the form of our regular dividend and the repurchase of 300,000 shares. We have subsequently purchased an additional 100,000 shares in Q1, taking our total purchases to 400,000 shares over the last four months at an average price of $27 per share. We are extremely proud of our overall performance, given the significant challenges we faced this year.

As we enter 2021, our backlog is solid, and we are increasingly optimistic regarding the underlying strength of our end markets. Given these factors, we are excited to introduce our 2021 guidance. We expect to see significant growth with both revenue and profits up approximately 30% year over year, with revenue in the range of $850 million to $900 million, adjusted EBITDA of $95 million to $105 million and adjusted EPS of $1.65 to $1.85 per share. To support this growth and our future production needs, we expect capex for 2021 to be in the range of $20 million to $25 million as we plan to make additional investments for Velocity vehicle production and to support other growth initiatives.

Now I'll turn the call back to Daryl for closing remarks.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jon. Despite the many varied challenges 2020 brought, we had an incredibly successful year. I want to reemphasize how proud I am of the hard work, dedication and commitment to excellence demonstrated by our team throughout this unusual year. When we faced an adverse economy within an environment characterized by fear and uncertainty, our team rose to the occasion.

This week, in recognition of their hard work and relentless commitment to the business and our customers, we awarded all of our employees a special $500 bonus. As we move into 2021, we are excited by the power and earnings potential of our newly transformed and evolving company. We will continue to invest in new products and markets with increased focus on EV in response to our customers' request in the last mile delivery space, and we will make prudent choices on M&A opportunities that will deliver shareholder value for years to come. With that, operator, we are ready to take the Q&A portion of the call.

Questions & Answers:


Operator

[Operator instructions] The first question comes from Mike Shlisky of Colliers Securities. Please go ahead.

Mike Shlisky -- Colliers Securities -- Analyst

OK. Good morning, guys. So I just want to get a little color on the very near-term outlook here in the first quarter largely on the margin side. Actually, on both, the revenue and the margin side.

Are there any concerns we should be thinking about as far as the price of steel in the near-term availability of Chassis from any of the OEMs in the kind of near term? Or do you think this will be somewhat normal seasonality for you this year?

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think -- this is Jon. I think as we start off the year, I would expect normal seasonality. I think the Q1 will look somewhat similar to Q1 of last year.

In terms of aluminum and steel pricing and commodity pricing in general, we certainly are monitoring this on a regular basis. We have, I think, discussed in the past, talked about inflation on labor side of things as well, which will be a bit of a headwind for us this year. But on aluminum -- and in particular, we feel like we're in good shape here, certainly through the first half of the year and out into the second half of the year. I think from a Chassis perspective, we've seen little impact, I think, as Daryl noted, we'll continue to stay close to it with our customers, but we don't see any short-term impact here in the first quarter, probably in the first half.

Mike Shlisky -- Colliers Securities -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for that. Can we switch over to the -- some commentary on the EV market. I'm just kind of curious, at this point, you're offering both in certain models, at least.

I'm kind of curious, what are some customers telling you about their desire to adopt EVs in 2021 in general? And do you think that we're at any kind of tipping point or change over point over the next couple of quarters?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Mike. This is Daryl. I'll take this.

I think we're going to stay consistent with what we've talked about in the past. We believe EV is coming. I think there's been some recent changes by some of the OEMs on how they will allow conversion of their ice vehicles to EV that I think is going to have a little bit of a problem for some of the EV start-ups. But we're still in a good position.

We continue to have requests from our customers right? And they continue to get stronger for us to play a bigger role in EV on their vehicles because they're not seeing -- they're not having anyone meet their needs in the market today. So I think over the next probably three quarters or so, maybe by the end of the year, we're going to continue to work with our customers and understand their needs more closely. And understand what they're not seeing. And we have a good idea, but we're looking for some type of a partnership with them if they want to get serious about it with us.

Other than that, we're still offering all the products we have. We're excited about the Ford Transit BEV. And I think it's playing out as we expected.

Mike Shlisky -- Colliers Securities -- Analyst

OK. And then just switching on to the Velocity F2. I just want to get a feel for if -- you've got some orders for it now. Are there orders that you're not getting on a different product? Or is this more of a white space for you? And I'm just kind of curious, also what's the capacity of that Vehicle compared to the F3 or other categories that you currently offer? Could it pull from your primary cargo van business with that for transit?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I think, Mike, the -- we're excited about the orders. We're excited about -- continue to be excited about conversations we're having. The Vehicle is not cannibalizing any other volume we have that we've seen.

And I think you can see that in our backlog, right? It's additive in all respects. And the capacity in that facility, we have another shift we can add on if needed. And then if it continues to accelerate from there, whether it's the velocity, whether it's our walk in van or it's the upfit we do. I think the team has proven the last three years that we are flexible.

We can adjust with our customers' needs. And we can do that better than anybody in our space. And we've proven it, so we will -- if we need an additional volume, we have locations. We talked about some of the things we're doing, moving service body down into Florida and then moving truck body into Kansas City, right, which is all based on our backlog and the increase we're seeing.

So our move, years ago, probably three, four years ago, to start building flexible manufacturing facilities is starting to reap its benefits right now.

Mike Shlisky -- Colliers Securities -- Analyst

Great. Thanks so much. I'll pass along.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Dyer with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys. FVS backlog was up pretty significantly sequentially. Is there any sort of large customer or overwhelmingly large order in there? Or is it fairly well spread out?

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think the -- probably won't get specifically into customers. But I think a big driver of that was a velocity order, which was in the backlog at the end of the year. And to Daryl's point, we saw the incremental volume from that.

And it's reflected in that number.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Steve, I'd also say that I think you're -- we talk about it, there's a lot of questions due to COVID in Q2 and Q3. And I think some of our investors were frustrated by us saying, Hey, we're meeting with them. They're going to come. And I think the backlog is showing what we were talking about, it's coming.

And I think there's -- as this -- they continue to understand the market and how people are going to continue to buy online. I don't know about you, but I saw more rental vehicles being used by our FedEx, UPS, Amazon and others, to deliver vehicles this year than ever before, and we've heard that from them as well. So the order -- the backlog is dispersed. I think we're seeing it from at least two of the bigger delivery customers.

And we have some talks with the third on some things for this year.

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Got it. And then any update, I know you've, I think, been piloting some things around food delivery with a refrigeration unit on them, etc. Anything sort of new to report on the food delivery piece of things?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Now we continue to refine our product based on customer feedback, working with different companies to try to give them the most economical and efficient refrigeration unit they can get it to their specs. And I think, as I talked before, this is a new space. It's just going to take a little bit longer to understand exactly how they're going to use the vehicles. So we're continuing to have dialogue and supply different rev levels of vehicles as a test.

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

OK. And you touched on the flexible manufacturing. Just kind of curious, as you look at your capacity, both in terms of raw amount of capacity and what you have and where in the country you have. Are you still looking to sort of add there? I know you've kind of put a ring around the country in the last two, three years.

But where are you as it relates to additional capacity geographically?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I think if you go back and look, we've added capacity in Florida. It's another facility. We've added capacity in Kansas City. We made an acquisition up in Maine with F3.

We move some things around in Charlotte to give us some space velocity. So I think it's a very good question, because right now, I think we are pretty much out of space. So the next move would have to be some type of additional facility. And that's some of the capital that we're expecting to have this year as volume continues to grow.

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

And then just lastly for me, and I'll hand it over. As it relates to acquisitions, you still sort of have your eye out for the right strategic fit? Or any color there would be helpful as to sort of your appetite?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We -- I think everybody understands last year was a little slow. And this year, we're starting to see more activity. We're still looking for the third leg, if you will, larger acquisition, but there are a number of ones that were actually were close to one and then decided that, that wasn't the right fit right now.

So we moved away, but there's plenty on the table that we're looking at and look forward to some more activity before the end of the year.

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Got it. Congratulations, guys. Thanks.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Felix Boeschen of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Hey. Good morning, everybody. I was just hoping to start with a quick point of clarification. The backlog number on fleet vehicles was obviously very, very strong.

Just to clarify, was the full 3,000 velocity order included in that backlog number as of 4Q '20?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

That's correct.

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. OK. And then maybe just one last question on the Velocity, Daryl. I mean from a bigger picture standpoint, can you just talk to us a little bit about the shift toward lower vehicle sizes, specifically in the parcel market.

I think it's been happening for a while, but it seems like that should be a big tailwind for the velocity. Just curious if you could update us on how customer conversations have tracked kind of over the first three months of the year here?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. And good question, Felix, it actually started, right, after we rolled this out, helping them understand the benefits. We've talked before that the fuel efficiency is double the typical Class 4 walk-in van. And the payload is very similar in size.

So it's a really nice fit in the Class 3 space that Class 2 space versus a cargo van that has a limited space capacity for payload and cargo volume. And that was the feedback we received from our customers. Early on, we were developing this, which the engineers -- honestly, they did hit it out of the park with this great, great deal. And the vehicle is flexible.

We've actually had some requests to lower the height of the vehicle inside and it's a simple change for us. Lower the roof a little bit to get some more aerodynamics and maybe move into some vehicle tightness that they might have in an area of the country. And it was a quick change for us. So it's -- again, the engineers did a really nice job designing this.

It is, maybe I should say, flexible, where it's adjustable where needed to be. So it's an exciting new vehicle for us.

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe switching to the margin side a little bit. As we think about the '21 outlook, I know there's quite a few moving pieces in the P&L.

You talked about very little impact on the chip side so far. But Jon, curious if you're baking in any sort of supply chain drags into the guide? And then if you could maybe help us out a little bit on temporary cost cuts, how much you kind of anticipate rolling back into the P&L this year as maybe we see T&E and travel come back online?

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So as we -- I mean, as we look at sort of year-over-year headwinds from that perspective, we did take out about $2.5 million of short-term countermeasures in the second quarter. As you think about how that flows into 2021, that's really offset by some of the restructuring benefits that we did. I think on top of that, we saw our healthcare expenses decline in 2020.

And so there will be -- we're estimating about $4 million of headwind related to healthcare expenses. We've also got increase through the wage inflation and the increases in the hourly labor rate, particularly as we're trying to ramp pretty significantly in a number of our facilities, as you probably have seen from some of the press releases and social media activity that we've had. And so those are headwinds as well as getting essentially a business off the ground with velocity. We started investing in that in Q4, and we will continue to invest in that here in the first part of the year to be able to hit the volume levels that we anticipate going forward.

And so as you look at those items, we are -- if you look at the midpoint of the guidance, we're showing some slight margin expansion there year over year. But there certainly are cost headwinds from that perspective as well.

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

OK. That was super helpful. And then just my last one. You briefly touched on it.

But in your presentation, you guys talked about a little bit of expanding the network from a facility footprint. Could you talk about the other point of the site of capacity, specifically on labor? How has that sort of tracked? And has there been a constraint to production, I guess, is my bigger question.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, this is Daryl, Felix. It has not been a constraint to production. The HR teams at locations that are hiring are still pushing job there and having good attendance to them. So right now, we don't see it hindering us at all.

As we move through the ramp, and the volume increases will continue to monitor. Right now, we're -- the HR teams are doing a great job, along with the ops teams, interviewing training and getting new people on the floor.

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

That I appreciate. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Steve O'Hara of Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Steve O'Hara -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just maybe on the capex. I mean, it seems like a pretty big increase for 2021.

But I'm just kind of curious how you think about it maybe going forward. I mean, is this something kind of where you're building out facilities that can be used longer-term and then capex drops back? Or is capex kind of a step function change?

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

No. I think it's -- I'd say it's a year of investment to meet the 30% increase in top line here. Certainly, the Velocity is the largest piece of that. And we're, as Daryl talked about, basically launching a new facility designed specifically for that line to accommodate the volume levels.

We're also -- we talked about Kansas City expansion into the truck body markets until there will be some investment associated with that. And so there's, I'd say, two or three larger investments that we need this year in order to support the volume increase, and we should see the benefits of that capacity as we move forward into '22 and beyond.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Steve, I'll add a little bit more internally, we're adding or buying lasers at a number of facilities, along with some fabrication equipment in order to continue to optimize the purchase parts to make buy. The teams are doing a really nice job with getting these launch, and we're seeing the payback in less than a year. So that's some of the additional capital that besides the facilities part that Jon was talking about.

Steve O'Hara -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

OK. That's helpful. And then I guess if you think about the fleets that are on the road today, it seems like utilization was very high in 2020 I mean is that -- does that shorten the life span? Does that quicken the pace of the replacement cycle? How do you think that plays out? Or -- and maybe EV takes part of that and gets factored in. But can you talk about maybe the replacement cycle down the road, if there's been -- do you think there's been any change there in terms of where utilization was in 2020?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Absolutely, 100%. We're seeing and having dialogue with customers that, for instance, the typical Class 4 walk-in vans in the past has been labeled as a 15-year life. We're seeing that through conversations and some of the dialogue.

It's coming in somewhere maybe around 12-or-so. Then we're seeing the cargo vans, a lot of the Class 2s, expectations from the customers were seven years, and they're coming in, some at 4 and 5 and some maybe a little bit less depending on the routes. But -- so to your point, utilization, the amount of volume that's going through all the vehicles is going to shorten the life. And we're having that dialogue now.

So we actually believe that, that will start probably a little bit maybe next year and then continue '23 and beyond and doing some of that replacement cycle that's coming quicker.

Steve O'Hara -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

OK. And then maybe just switching to EV. I mean, I think in the past, you guys have talked about staying agnostic on that side. I guess, GM kind of launched their platform.

And I'm just kind of curious, is that kind of the -- do you expect it -- do you want to stay agnostic and continue to deal with everybody? And then maybe what you think how EV starts to build in terms of the next few years in terms of penetration? I mean, do you see it as 20% of deliveries five years from now, 50%? I'm just kind of curious how you see that playing out maybe.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I think if I could be accurate on that estimate, we know exactly what we're doing on EV and so with everyone else. So it's a bit of a -- I don't want to say a load of question, but it's a difficult question. So what we do see, we actually go to different outside sources.

And I think we had it in our analyst earnings deck where by 2030, some of the larger -- I think it was Bloomberg actually who said they think by 2030, it might be 25%. I would have loved to have seen what they predicted for 2020 or 2021 and see how accurate they were. But -- so we don't try to predict ourselves. We use outside sources.

And that's what everybody, I think, is looking at. But it is coming. It's going to get -- I think there's going to be some lower volume first. But to your point of us being agnostic.

I think I mentioned it a couple of times in the script today, we are getting a lot of pressure from our customers because they're actually not seen or receiving any vehicles that meet their needs. And I think their needs are evolving. So that's some of what might be changing our view on it, but it's going to take some more analysis and some more review. But right now, our position is the same.

We are -- we did say we're going to bridge the gap and we wait for the OEMs to come out. And Ford's coming out with theirs later this year. And Mercedes will have theirs. We believe next year is still on track.

We understand that FCA/Atlantis is working on one. So eventually, right, they will be there. I did mention that one of the OEMs stopped, letting people convert their ice engines or vehicles over to EV and maintain the warranty. So if you do that anymore, the warranties are voided.

So it's going to -- that's new news, so that's going to create some havoc here, I think, in the EV space in the next probably quarter or two.

Steve O'Hara -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

OK. And then just maybe within the FVS, maybe you mentioned it, but the backlog and the growth there. I mean, is that primarily kind of on the parcel delivery. And I mean, it seemed like Truck Body was kind of ramping up.

But I mean, maybe how you see that playing out? Is it kind of first kind of meet the acute demand on the parcel delivery side. And then they have to deal with the Truck Body when they've kind of gotten their fleets in shape. Again, is that how you see it playing out?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I would say we've actually seen pretty strong orders across all the product offerings, Truck Body not excluded. So Truck Bodies upfit in walk-in van have seen strength through the end of the year. Velocity was, obviously, a big piece of that as we talked about. And as we look here in Q1, we continue to see sort of strong order patterns, and we continue to have good discussions with our customers about their needs.

And it gets back to the point there made in the script about we're operating essentially at a new normal level with extremely high rental utilization in Q4, and that's got to normalize itself through the market. And so our customer base is really building out for that situation.

Steve OHara

OK. All right. Thanks. Thanks for the time.

Operator

The next question comes from Matt Koranda of ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to start off by maybe zooming out and discussing the guidance at a higher level. So could you just help us understand the basic assumptions around the split between FES and specialty vehicle that's in the outlook? And then how much are you assuming in terms of inorganic contribution from DuraMag?

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So when we look at the guidance, we actually see we see strong year-over-year growth in both of the segments. Both of them are actually growing pretty much right on that target at above 30%. And there's two different dynamics there.

You've got -- on the SV side of the business, you've got strong tailwinds coming out of the motorhome business where we also saw some, call it, a softer first half. And so there's some COVID recovery in there as well as the inorganic piece to DuraMag, as you talked about. On the fleet side of the business, it's really the expansion of products and the continued growth in the parcel delivery side of the business, but we see both strong going forward. I would say, from an organic perspective, there's probably, call it, three points of that growth, that's inorganic or acquisition related.

And...

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

OK. That's helpful. Sorry. Go ahead.

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

No. I was just saying, not a significant contributor year over year given the $200 million increase in revenue.

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Yes. Gotcha. That makes sense. And then I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about the order environment currently as we're heading into the spring.

Because I know that FES, typically, the seasonal order pattern generally picks up kind of heading into the spring. And just wanted to get a sense for, did we get pull forward in order activity with that larger Velocity order that you guys have referenced or is that just additive to the normal seasonality that we should expect heading forward? Just talk a little bit about the current order environment, especially for FES?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I think it's tough to describe anything as normal, given the current environment we're operating in. I think the Velocity piece was certainly incremental. I think the dynamics last year where we saw a very slow ordering happening through the second -- late second and third quarter, there was a bit of an acceleration in pickup that's probably not aligned with historic seasonality. But to my comment earlier, I think we continue to see strong order patterns here as we are into Q1.

And their customers are getting smarter about sort of fleet sizing and capacity requirements and those types of things, and we continue to stay close to them. And we're seeing order interest on all of our products, right, across the board, motorhome and service bodies.

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Great. And then lastly, just on FES. I wondered if you guys could help us maybe just characterize capacity to produce, because at some point, it seems like you've got a high-quality problem on your end, which is the backlog is so large that maybe it deters order flow. But wanted to get a sense for how quickly can we ramp up capacity there? And then I know you've referenced a lot of different sort of puts and takes around what could constrain you there.

But can you just put a finer point on what are the maybe one or two kind of gating items in terms of your ability to ramp up production in FES?

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I'm going to attempt to answer this one, Matt. So I mentioned some of the laser equipment we're buying and some of the press brakes. Those were down in Bristol, along with some other facilities.

So that is helping some of the supply constraints that we were seeing and obviously getting some nice payback, too. We -- as I mentioned before, right, we typically run on a shift, shift and a half. So we still have fill out the second shift. And if we need to, we can go to third.

But the team is really doing an amazing job with their Kaizen events and putting in some automation and in the plant to help with the throughput. We are in the middle of right now moving, what we call our, SSV vehicles. I will show the heavy, heavy upfit, maybe like for the electrical companies or the power companies and super companies, right, for the cities. We are moving that to a different facility in Bristol, right? Moving out of the main plant to give it more room to operate with some of the orders we're getting.

The only real constraint we have is -- will be paint, right? But we have a backup for paint if the orders continue to flow and get to that level. But we're a number of units away from reaching that level right now on a daily basis, that is.

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

OK. Got it. Very helpful there. Thank you.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Do you have another question, Matt? Go ahead. Sorry, Andrew.

Operator

Apologies. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Juris Pagrabs for any closing remarks.

Juris Pagrabs -- Group Treasurer and Head of Investor Relations

Thanks, Andrew, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today. We have a couple of conferences that we're going to be participating in, in the next couple of weeks, ROTH next week and Sidoti. Still virtual. We look forward to the day when we can do this in-person.

And with that, thanks for joining, and we look forward to keeping you updated on our progress throughout 2021. Thanks, everyone.

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 50 minutes

Call participants:

Juris Pagrabs -- Group Treasurer and Head of Investor Relations

Daryl Adams -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Jon Douyard -- Chief Financial Officer

Mike Shlisky -- Colliers Securities -- Analyst

Steve Dyer -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Felix Boeschen -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Steve O'Hara -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Steve OHara

Matt Koranda -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

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