Camtek (CAMT) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Camtek (CAMT 4.18%)
Q3 2023 Earnings Call
Nov 14, 2023, 9:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Kenny Green

OK. Hello, everyone, and good morning. Hosting today's call is Rafi Amit, Camtek's chief executive officer; Ramy Langer, chief operating officer; and Moshe Eisenberg, chief financial officer. Before we start, I would like to note that certain statements made on this call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, and the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Such statements may use terminology such as believes, expects, will, may, should, anticipates, plans, or similar expressions to identify forward-looking statements. Such statements reflect only current beliefs, expectations, and assumptions of Camtek. However, actual results, performance, or the achievements of Camtek may differ materially as they are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. Such risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to those that are described in Camtek's most recent annual report on Form 20-F and as may be supplemented from time to time in Camtek's other filings with the SEC, including today's earlier filing of the earnings PR, all of which are expressed -- are expressly incorporated herein by reference.

Camtek undertakes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements unless required by law. Camtek's public filings are available on the Securities and Exchange Commission website at www.sec.gov and may also be obtained from Camtek's website at www.camtek.com. Also, on today's call, we will include certain non-GAAP numbers. For a reconciliation between the GAAP and non-GAAP results, please see the table attached in today's press release, which is also posted on the investor relations section of Camtek's website.

So, with us today, we have Moshe Eisenberg, CFO; Rafi Amit, CEO; and Ramy Langer, COO. And I would now like to turn the call over to Rafi Amit. Rafi, you may go ahead.

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. Thanks, Kenny. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Camtek closed the third quarter with revenue of $80.5 million.

Gross margin came in at 49%, which is a continued improvement over previous quarters, as we indicated earlier this year. Operating margin was 28%. Over 60% of our revenues came from advanced interconnect packaging applications, which -- with a significant portion coming from HBM and chiplet modules. The remaining 40% is divided between compound semiconductors for power devices, CIS, and process control applications.

Regarding the war in Israel, I would like to explain how we have managed this situation. About 10% of our employees in Israel are on active reserve duty. The remaining workforce has managed to compensate for their absence. Our facility is quite far from the border, and we have some redundancy in our operations, which is done in three different locations.

Thus, any risk of interruption is minimized. Our delivery to customer has not been affected, and we have not experienced any material or supply shortage. So, all in all, the war has not affected our operations or business. On October 31st, we completed the process of acquiring FRT from FormFactor, and we have begun the integration of FRT into Camtek.

We are in the final integration process of FRT sales and customer support functions into our global organization. The synergy of our products make this process straightforward. We have also started the integration of the other different organizations' functions into Camtek, and we plan to expand the facility in order to support potential growth and implement the Camtek's workflow into FRT. Now, I would like to add a few words about the business environment.

Since the beginning of third quarter, we have reported orders received of about 150 systems. And since then, we have received additional orders for about 90 systems. The last order we reported yesterday was for 28 tools from Tier 1 customer for HBM and heterogenous integration applications. Most of the orders are for installation during 2024.

This healthy backlog and ordering pipeline point to a year of growth for Camtek, and we expect a record year in sales in 2024. No doubt that our high-performance computing is the bright spot for us. Based on several surveys, the number of chiplets is expected to grow at 35% CAGR in the next four years and the HBM at a CAGR of 22%. We have strong position in this market, so we expect to expand our market share by winning additional inspection and metrology steps, together with FRT products.

In addition, in some territories, we see demand for other applications that are not related to the high-performance computer but fueled by mobile phones, server, automotive, and other segments. We are also enjoying healthy demand from OSATs serving multiple applications. We are greatly encouraged by the number of orders we receive for HBM and by chiplet modules to be installed in 2024. At the same time, we are aware of the technological changes soon to be adopted by our customers.

We are totally prepared with innovative and creative solutions, and we'll start qualification process at customer site soon. With respect to Q4, we expect continued organic growth. And with the contribution of FRT, our revenue guidance is $87 million to $89 million. And now, Moshe will review the financial result.

Moshe.

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Rafi. In my financial summary ahead, I will provide the results on a non-GAAP basis. The reconciliation between GAAP results and the non-GAAP results appear in the tables at the end of the press release issued earlier today. Third quarter revenue came in at $80.5 million, a decline of 2% compared with the third quarter of 2022, an increase of 9% from the second quarter of 2023.

The geographic revenue split for the quarter was as follows: Asia, 81%; and U.S. and Europe accounted for the rest, 19%. Gross profit for the quarter was $39.4 million. The gross margin for the quarter was 49%, similar to the third quarter of last year and an improvement from the second quarter of this year, which was 48%.

As mentioned before, we've been taking measures to improve the gross margin. In the last two quarters, we have seen the initial impact, and we expect to see continued gradual improvement in the coming quarters, subject to sales mix. Operating expenses in the quarter was $17.2 million, very similar to the third quarter of last year and to the previous quarter. Operating profit in the quarter was $22.2 million, compared to the $23.2 million reported in the third quarter of last year.

Operating margin was 27.6, compared to 28.3. Financial income for the quarter was $5.7 million, at a similar level to the previous quarter and much higher than the $2 million reported last year. The increase from last year relates to the significantly higher interest rates on an increased cash balance. Net income for the third quarter of 2023 was $25.2 million or $0.52 per diluted share.

This is compared to a net income of $23.3 million or $0.48 per share in the third quarter of last year. Total diluted number of shares as of the end of Q3 was 49 million shares. Turning to some high-level balance sheet and cash flow metrics. Cash and cash equivalents, including short- and long-term deposits and marketable securities, as of September 30, 2023, were $517.1 million.

This compared with $506.3 million in -- at the end of the second quarter. I know that in line with the FRT closing in October, our cash balance has decreased by approximately $100 million, which will also affect our interest income. We generated $12.4 million in cash from operations in the quarter. Inventory level was $72.7 million.

It went up by $4.4 million over the quarter to support the anticipated sales growth in the coming quarters. Accounts receivables increased to $91.4 million from $79 million in the previous quarter, primarily due to the increasing revenue and the timing of collection. As Rafi mentioned before, we expect revenue of between $87 million to $89 million in the fourth quarter, with -- which is about 7% increase over the fourth quarter of last year, and that we look forward to a year of growth in 2024. We will provide more color next quarter after we announced our Q4 results.

And with that, Rafi, Ramy, and I will be open to take your questions. Kenny.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Moshe. We will now open the call Q&A. [Operator instructions] So, our first question is going to be from Brian Chin from Stifel. Brian, you may go ahead and ask your questions.

Brian Chin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

Hi, there. Firstly, best wishes, and I hope that you are all well. And thank you for letting us ask a few questions. Maybe to start, Rafi, of the 240 system bookings since the beginning of 3Q, is the right way to think about this as maybe 80% to 90% of that relates to shipments that will occur next year? And also, I think your book-to-bill was probably at least two times -- 2-to-1 in 3Q.

So, maybe it won't be quite that high, but do you expect the book-to-bill will still be well above one in 4Q?

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

Look, as we mentioned in all the announcement, most of the order we received are for 2024, OK? And on top of that, I think we don't really discuss any specific -- we don't answer to specific question about the backlog or about the book-to-bill and other type of that, but maybe Moshe can elaborate a little bit about that. Moshe, could you add something?

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Indeed, most of the orders, you know, the 240 machines that we have received so far are for deliveries in 2024. I don't have the exact percentage, but most of it is for 2024 deliveries. With respect to book-to-bill, obviously, in Q3, the book-to-bill was much higher than one.

We are still in the middle of the fourth quarter, so it's still early, you know, for me to say whether the book-to-bill this quarter will be greater than one. But my expectation based on orders that we have received so far, plus orders that we have in the pipeline, that, indeed, it will be greater than one.

Brian Chin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

Great. Thanks. For a follow-up, for calendar '24, you stated that this should represent a record revenue year for the company. FRT, certainly, adds to this.

Can you give us an idea of the impact to the model, gross margins, and expenses from FRT? And also, how do you plan to integrate the technology into new and existing platforms, and does the acquisition also provide favorable customer synergies?

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

So --

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

By the way, regarding the -- the acquisition of FRT, I think that, in 2024, when we discuss about to integrate to Camtek, we mainly mean in the operation, in sales, and customer. We are not -- we don't have any plan right now to start to integrate a model from here to there and to come with some new tool. This is not in our priority. FRT has its own backlog for what they did in the last few years.

Camtek also have enough backlog. So, we believe that 2024, in term of R&D integration, let's call it, we are not going to put too much focus, but more on the administration, operation, and other aspects of the two company to work together as one. This is regarding the FRT and Camtek.

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Just to add, you know, you asked about the contribution to the financial model. So, I would say the following. We said when we announced the deal that they -- we plan a contribution of around $30 million for FRT next year. And we feel that this is still a good number.

For the fourth quarter, their contribution is expected to be pretty much in line with this run rate. And overall, this business is quite profitable and it's very similar to the profitability metrics of Camtek.

Brian Chin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

OK. Great. Thank you. And then just to clarify, Moshe, the -- you said 4Q in line with the 30 million run rate, or is that 1Q because, I guess, 4Q, you only have it for two out of three months?

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

So, the two out of the three months is, you know, within the run rate. Yeah. It's only two months in -- within the fourth quarter. Correct.

Brian Chin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

OK. Thank you.

Kenny Green

Thanks, Brian. Our next question will be from Tom O'Malley from Barclays. Tom, you may go ahead.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

Hey. So, just a little confusion on Q4 there I want to kind of --

Kenny Green

Nope. Sorry. Tom, are you there? We lost you for a sec.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

Yeah. Can you hear me?

Kenny Green

Yeah.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

Yup. Hey. So, just wanted to just run through Q4 a little bit here. So, in the slide deck you had on the web this morning, you had 82 to 83 for Q4.

So, I assume that that was the organic revenue. And then you're guiding to 88. So, that would imply a $5.5 million contribution from FRT. Can you just walk through what the exact contributions are in Q4 just because I'm seeing a couple of different numbers here?

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Now, I'm not sure what the $82 million to $83 million, where is this number come from, but it may be a typo. As I said, you know, our $87 million to $89 million includes some organic growth from Camtek, plus contribution from FRT in a level that is pretty much the run rate of the $30 million that we expect next year. So, the correct guidance is 87 to 89 combined with the FRT contribution.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

OK. So, I guess what is then -- so -- OK. So, $30 million run rate, you're going to adjust that for the two or three quarters. That makes sense.

Going into the out year, are you expecting an acceleration of that FRT business or is that 30 million still what you're sticking with for the contribution from the acquired business for '24?

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

For '24 what we said, and we're staying with this assessment, that it will be 30 million for '24. Of course, as we learn the business, we will be more -- you know, we will learn it. But that's the expectation as we go into '24.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

OK. And then lastly, when you guys look at bookings year, traditionally, I would imagine that just given the amount of orders that you guys have, your visibility is a lot better. When you guys say record revenue for '24, is that record revenue fully backed on existing orders today, aka, you know, with the orders that you have in the book, is that already a record revenue year, or are you expecting some churns business year over year to get you above that record revenue? Thank you.

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

So, first of all, the record revenue today, it's an expectation. The backlog today that we have in hand still does not support the record revenues. But understanding what we have with the pipeline, talking to customers, our expectation is to be for a record year, very similar to what we said a quarter ago.

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

Thank you.

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Tom.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Tom. Next question will be from Craig Ellis of B. Riley. Craig, you may go ahead and ask your questions.

Craig Ellis -- B. Riley Financial -- Analyst

Yeah. Thanks for taking the questions. So, I also wanted to pass on just the best wishes for operating in a very unusual and war-impacted environment, and best wishes to the team. So, the first question I wanted to ask is around some of the orders that are in hand and some that could come in.

There's a lot of attention on both AI-related orders and heterogeneous guide. And yet, there have been parts of the business for industry that have seen pretty muted this year, whether it's CIS, or front-end, and some other areas. So, one of things I wanted to better understand is the degree to which the orders for the 240 systems that you have is really more heterogenous plus AI versus some of the other applications and areas of exposure that the company has. And then the second part of the question is to what extent do you think some of the areas that have been muted this year have potential to emerge as areas of strength next year?

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, first of all, thank you for the best wishes, Craig. Yes, it's indeed a challenging time, but we'll manage through it. So, when we look at the business, all in all, I look at the -- at the 240 or looking forward at what is in the backlog. So, you know, we are above -- 60% of our business is for what we call advanced packaging.

No doubt, the chiplet and the HBMs by itself is about half of it. No doubt. And this is emerging, as I would say, as a relatively new business. We had this business, but the -- from the volume point of view, it was much smaller.

So, indeed, this is an area that will take us to a different level in the business. And this is why, really, this contribution makes us feel -- give us the expectation for a record year next year. Now, when we look at the other areas. So, on the -- the heterogenous integration is definitely becoming more and more dominant in the business.

We're seeing a lot of business there from OSATs and also from IDMs. That's another portion that is growing in the advanced packaging. And in the advanced packaging, we are also seeing the fan-out as still being dominant in this business. So, I think that these three areas really make today our advanced packaging business.

Now, the rest of the businesses are there. I think we spoke about healthy backlog from OSATs, and that's lots of applications: advanced packaging, CMOS image sensors, some RF. So, they are there. The silicon carbide and I would say the front-end, when we look forward for next year, they're about 20% of our business.

So, I think these businesses are going to be healthy. It's very hard to give the exact extents of what they do. But definitely, that's an areas that will continue to see business. What is interesting when you look at the FRT business, the FRT business is really in these areas of the silicon carbide and the advanced packaging.

So, this really strengthened our position there because we are going to do as a company more steps on the same processes, and we'll be exposed to new opportunities that weren't there for us in the past.

Craig Ellis -- B. Riley Financial -- Analyst

That's really helpful color, Ramy. Thank you. The second question may be more of an operational question, and it's regarding to a lead time given how significant the recent order activity has been. And admittedly, to your point, Rafi, this is vastly for shipment in 2024.

But can you just talk about to lead time, shipment times, and the company's confidence given how dramatically orders of surge that you can had end-customer shipment windows and capture all of the order potential?

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, I think from -- Craig, the fact that these orders were getting today for 2024 give us enough time to really get prepared. And we do not see any issues with our supply chain. It's very solid. We have the inventory in place, we have the manpower in place, and to meet the forecasts that we are looking at and the surge in the business that we are forecasting.

So, from that point of view, we are ready, and I think we have enough, I would say, head-on time or we are seeing the things in -- early enough in the game to make sure that we will have all the material and we'll be prepared to deliver all the machines on time.

Craig Ellis -- B. Riley Financial -- Analyst

That's really helpful. And then lastly from me before I drop back in the queue, Rafi, you and I have talked on numerous calls in the past about the company's M&A aspirations, and FRT looks like a really nicely synergistic fit. And it looks very EPS accretive intermediate and long term. With that deal now closed and working nicely through integration, does that mean M&A is something that will be off the table for a while, or how do you think about M&A from here with FRT now in the fold?

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

No, it's not off the table. We continue searching for potential. But, you know, the same as FRT, this is what we call a perfect synergy, OK? And this is definitely one of our preferable M&A consideration, to look for company that it is easy to integrate, that they are probably, I would say, the same environment, the same, you know, system. Not copy exact but not something that's totally different from what we are doing or if maybe -- or issue that we are not, you know, understand very well the market and the potential.

So, we continue and we're definitely considering more M&A.

Craig Ellis -- B. Riley Financial -- Analyst

Thanks for that perspective and good luck, team.

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Craig. Our next question is going to be from Gus Richard of Northland. Gus, you may go ahead and ask your questions.

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Yes. Thanks for letting me ask a question. Just in terms of as you ramp, you know, do you foresee any capacity constraints, or maybe a better way to ask the question is, you know, where do you need to focus to make sure you have the capacity as demand grows?

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

You are talking about the capacity here to manufacture, Gus.

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Correct. Yes. You know, is it lead times, on opex? Is it, you know, manpower, floorspace, you know, just sort of where would you first run into a capacity constraint?

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, first of all, I think we discussed in previous calls, we have today capacity. We've increased our capacity last year. And today, we have enough capacity for roughly $0.5 billion in sales annually. So, the clean room, which is the longest time, is there.

And also, the manpower training, we have enough. So, the rest is really planning. And as I said, because we understand more or less what is going to happen next year. We have backlog already for next year.

So, we have -- we're talking to customers. We understand what we will need to ship. We have already put in orders for what we need. From a material point of view, we have enough inventory on hand for the next few months.

So, we do not foresee any reason not to ship all of the machines in 2024.

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you. And then I think in your prepared remarks, I think you're starting to see chiplets expand into auto, and I think you said mobile as well. And I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about those opportunities and when you might start to see those impact your backlog or your shipments.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

No. I think here, in our remarks, what we said that there are other opportunities for nonbusiness that is -- for business that is not related to chiplets and HBMs, we see opportunities there as well. Our business will be in the range of let's say more than 30% for the HBM and the chiplets, the rest will come from the other segments that we serve. So, I think, today, the market is focused on the chiplet and HBM.

This is high-performance computing. I think this is going to, what people call, AI applications. I think this is, today, the main application. Definitely, this, in two or three years, no doubt, will become the standrard in computing in the industry, but I think there is time till we get to that point.

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Got it. And then the last question from me in terms of, you know, demand, obviously, is going up because of unit volume. But I also wonder if you could comment a little bit about, you know, inspection times and, you know, increasing bump density and the -- you know, what's happening for, you know, how long it takes to inspect a wafer.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

It's -- so, you know, this is really application-dependent. But no doubt, and I think Rafi mentioned in the prepared remarks that we understand where the market is going to. So, you know, we've talked about the fact that the number of bumps are becoming more. They increase in numbers.

And obviously, they are becoming denser and smaller. And this is -- this will require new capabilities. Some of those capabilities we already have installed at customers. There are new capabilities that we are going to qualified customers.

So, those capabilities, first of all, will improve the throughput on one hand to address the increase in the numbers of bumps or the density. But definitely, all in all, some of these applications, they slow the inspection and metrology time and in certain applications. Obviously, I mean, this is the physics of the business, and customers are required to purchase more machines. But we are doing on our hands our best from the -- you know, to supply the best ROI in the industry and improving the throughput, the accuracies, and everything on our machines.

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much.

Kenny Green

Thanks, Gus. Next question is from Vedvati Shrotre from Jefferies. Vedvati, please go ahead. Please unmute as well.

Vedvati Shrotre -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. The first one I had is on the 240 system orders that you have for packaging. Could you help us understand how maybe these convert to revenues first half '24 versus second half? Is there -- is it more first half weighted versus the second half? Any color there would be helpful.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, obviously -- Vedvati, obviously, the orders that we see for '24, so we said most of the 240, some were -- went to Q3 and Q4. Some needed quick deliveries. But when we look at next year, obviously, the orders lean more to the first half naturally. And, you know, the second half, the -- you know, we have less backlog, but we have an understanding from customers.

This is where the pipeline comes into place, where, you know, people speak with us that they need certain machines in the third quarter or the fourth quarter. Some even ask for a certain slot, but they have not issued yet the PO. So, the -- moving the pipeline or converting it from a pipeline to orders, definitely, this is what we will be doing in the next couple of months.

Vedvati Shrotre -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Right. And maybe zooming into that a little bit. So, most HBM manufacturers and the chiplet manufacturers have talked about doubling their capacity by 2024. So, with these kind of order volumes, do you think they have all the tools they need to achieve that target? Like what is your sense here? And I know the visibility may be limited, but any color here.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

Well, you know, what I understand and what we see, we think that they are getting the tools that they need. And I can tell you that if there will be a shortage and they will feel that they will need additional tools, we have enough capacity and enough inventory in place to manufacture more machines. So, I think we will not be the bottleneck. If this will be needed, at least from our understanding, what we're seeing, at least for the -- I would say for '24, at least the first half, I think they have enough tools.

Vedvati Shrotre -- Jefferies -- Analyst

OK. Got it. And then another question I had was, you know, there are some notebook, desktop chips that are starting to use chiplet architectures, which will start ramping soon. Can you help me understand what this opportunity means for you? Do you think it becomes an opportunity as big as HBM that you're seeing right now?

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, that's definitely something that will -- I would say will enlarge our market. And this is what I think will happen. I think people are starting to use the same architecture but not adding the HBMs. I think this is what will happen.

You know, some of the applications of gaming and so forth actually require the HBMs, but many do not need. And this is what I said in one of the questions before. I personally believe that as they ramp the HBMs, they will get the cost structure, which is, today, I would say one of the limiting factors, but the HBM cost structure will go down with the volume. And then I don't say that it will become standard, but definitely, it will become the -- I would say, the preferred architecture for most of the computers.

So, that's something. And, you know, in most cases, the high end becomes the standard over time. And I think this will happen in this case as well.

Vedvati Shrotre -- Jefferies -- Analyst

I see. Thanks. Thank you for taking my questions.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Vedvati. [Operator instructions] Our next question is going to be from Vivek Arya from Bank of America Securities. Vivek, please go ahead and ask your question.

Unknown speaker

[Audio gap] for taking the question. This is [Inaudible] on behalf of Vivek. A question on gross margins. I'm curious about your outlook into '24.

Not looking for a guide, obviously, but what are some of the puts and takes and drivers of margins next year? Could it return to your target 50-plus levels?

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

So, yeah, we said basically that we took certain steps in the beginning of the year. We are seeing the fruits of it starting to affect our gross margin. This is the second quarter or the third quarter, actually, in a row of improved gross margin. We expect continued improvement gradually.

You know, the target is to reach 50% mark. The only give and take here is that this is all subject to sales mix. So, in some cases or in some quarters, we have more favorable product mix. And in other quarters, you know, this is less favorable.

So, these have -- this also have an impact on the margin. But overall, our target for next year is to be at least 50%.

Unknown speaker

Got it. And then could you talk about your order trends outside of AP? Maybe some of the visibility in compound semis. You said mobile phones and automotives have also been encouraging. So, I'm curious about your outlook there.

Thank you.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, in general, our, I would say, advanced packaging, which includes the chiplets, HBM, heterogenous integration, and so forth, this is -- I would say it's above 60%, can come up to 65%. Then I would say the next sizable business is what we call the silicon carbide and the front-end, we combine them together, they would be -- they would come to anywhere 20% to 25%. And then we have a few others. CMOS image sensors have been low lately for the reason that, you know, mobile phones are down.

So, this is more or less coupled this business with mobile phones. I assume that next year they will be better. This business can be anywhere between 5% to 10%. And then there are RF MEMS, you know, a lot of smaller businesses that will account to the 100%.

But if we look at the -- I would say the strongest driver, no doubt, today is on the advanced packaging part, which is the chiplets and the HBMs. And that's, no doubt, a growth driver that is going to be dominant for the next couple of years at least. And then the silicon carbide and the front-end, definitely, this market may be a little bit slower now, but definitely, this is -- overall, the CAGR is in the range of 20% annually. Definitely, a market with a sizable opportunity.

Unknown speaker

Got it. Thank you.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Vivek. Our next question is from Ela Priluzki of Optimus Funds. Ela, please go ahead and ask your question.

Ela Priluzki -- Optimus Funds -- Analyst

Hi. Hello. One question about the geographic revenue split for this quarter, please.

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So, Asia was around 80%, 8-0; and U.S. and Europe was 20%.

Ela Priluzki -- Optimus Funds -- Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Sure.

Kenny Green

Thank you, Ela. Our next question is from Shahar Cohen of Lucid Capital. Shahar. You may go ahead and ask your question.

Shahar Cohen -- Lucid Capital -- Analyst

Hi, guys. Thank you for asking a question. And going back to Vedvati's question about the -- some of the laptop or desktop application, you spoke about HBM, but I'm not sure HBM is the -- is applicable to these. Maybe I'm trying to understand, in your answer, you meant that HBM would be adopted in laptop and desktop, or you meant the advanced packaging techniques will be adopted in those? And given the magnitude of laptop CPUs compared to, let's say, you know, GPUs, wouldn't you expect, you know, a major leapfrog on your advanced packaging next year given, you know, the ramp-up of, you know, some of the laptop CPU advanced packaging applications.

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

So, Shahar, let's say -- there are two questions, and let me start with the first one. The question that came before is that you see today notebooks and, in general, PCs starting to adopt the chiplet architecture. Now, down the road, they will add also HBMs. Currently, they are not.

I think the only application that I know of in the PC arena that's using the chiplets and HBM is some gaming applications. But -- so -- but from the structure that's starting to use the structure of the chiplets, which will eventually will probably start to use also HBMs as well as they need more and more power, but this is still down the road. And now, regarding your second question, no doubt, there is an opportunity, but the question is how fast it will grow and how fast HBMs will go to other applications other than AI. This is still not clear.

And therefore, definitely, as we said, this segment will be more than 30% of our business. I mean, this is significantly more than this year and the dramatically bigger than it was a year or two ago. So, definitely, this has -- this is part of the growth, one of the reasons for the growth of Camtek over the last few years. Definitely, that's an area that's going to increase and definitely an area that has a very big potential for us.

But how fast it will grow further than what it's growing today, it's still hard to say.

Shahar Cohen -- Lucid Capital -- Analyst

OK. Thanks.

Kenny Green

OK. Thank you, Shahar. That looks like it ends the Q&A session. So, before I turn the call back to Rafi, just to let everybody know that a recording of this call will be available from the same Zoom link on Camtek's website in the next couple of hours.

And, Rafi, please go ahead and make your closing statements.

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. I would like to thank you all for your continued interest in our business. I want to especially thank the employees and my management team for their tremendous performance. To our investor, I thank you for your long-term support.

I look forward to talking with you again next quarter. Thank you and goodbye.

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

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Call participants:

Kenny Green

Rafi Amit -- Chief Executive Officer

Moshe Eisenberg -- Chief Financial Officer

Brian Chin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

Tom O'Malley -- Barclays -- Analyst

Craig Ellis -- B. Riley Financial -- Analyst

Ramy Langer -- Chief Operating Officer

Gus Richard -- Northland Capital Markets -- Analyst

Vedvati Shrotre -- Jefferies -- Analyst

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Ela Priluzki -- Optimus Funds -- Analyst

Shahar Cohen -- Lucid Capital -- Analyst

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