Warner Music Group (WMG) Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Warner Music Group (WMG 2.69%)
Q4 2023 Earnings Call
Nov 16, 2023, 8:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Welcome to Warner Music Group's fourth quarter earnings call for the period and fiscal year ended September 30th, 2023. As requested by Warner Music Group, today's call is being recorded for replay purposes. And if you object, you may disconnect at any time. Now, I would like to turn today's call over to your host, Mr.

Kareem Chin, head of investor relations. You may begin.

Kareem Chin -- Head of Investor Relations

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Warner Music Group's fiscal fourth quarter and full year earnings conference call. Please note that our earnings press release and earnings snapshot are available on our website, and we plan to file our Form 10-K during the week of November 20th. On today's call, we have our CEO, Robert Kyncl; and our CFO, Bryan Castellani, who will take you through our results. They will then be joined by Eric Levin for the Q&A portion of the call.

Before our prepared remarks, I would like to refer you to the second slide of the earnings snapshot to remind you that this communication includes forward-looking statements that reflect the current views of Warner Music Group about future events and financial performance. We plan to present certain non-GAAP results during this conference call and in our earnings snapshot slides and have provided schedules reconciling these results to our GAAP results in our earnings press release. All of these materials are posted on our website. Also, please note that all revenue figures and comparisons discussed today will be presented in constant currency unless otherwise noted.

All forward-looking statements are made as of today, and we disclaim any duty to update such statements. Our expectations, beliefs, and projections are expressed in good faith, and we believe there is a reasonable basis for them. However, there can be no assurance that management's expectations, beliefs, and projections will result or be achieved. Investors should not rely on forward-looking statements because they're subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties, and other factors that can cause actual results that differ materially from our expectations.

Information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in our filings with the SEC. And with that, I'll turn it over to Robert.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kareem. And good morning, everyone. I'd like to warmly welcome Bryan Castellani, who joined us as CFO last month. Bryan spent more than two decades at Disney, most recently as CFO of Disney Entertainment and ESPN.

We're excited he's part of our team now. I'd like to say a heartfelt thank you to Eric Levin, who's been our CFO for the past nine years. Eric has brought smart, steady financial leadership to WMG during a transformational period for the industry and our company. Given this quarter is his last as CFO, he'll be available for Q&A.

I have no doubt you'll join me in wishing him the very best as he moves into retirement in January. I'm happy to say our Q4 performance continued to deliver on the second-half improvement that we promised on our Q1 earnings goal. Led by an acceleration in our streaming revenue, Q4 revenue and adjusted OIBDA grew 5% and 18%, respectively. We also saw robust margin expansion of 230 basis points.

For the full year, we reached a key milestone in eclipsing $6 billion of revenue for the first time ever. Our revenue and adjusted OIBDA grew 4% and 10%, respectively, and we delivered 120 basis points of margin expansion. Importantly, operating cashflow conversion was 56% of adjusted OIBDA. With industry tailwinds at our back and a solid slate of new music to start the year, we've headed into fiscal '24 with strong momentum.

As always, everything we accomplish begins with our amazingly talented artists and songwriters. In recorded music, the diversity of our artists' roster was showcased by a range of success stories. From the global phenomenon of the "Barbie" soundtrack, to the breakthrough country superstar, Zach Bryan, with whom we also signed for publishing this year. Warner Records artist, Kenya Grace, scored a global hit with "Strangers," which rose to No.

1 on Billboard's dance and electronic chart. In the U.K., we celebrated No. 1 albums from Ed Sheeran, Burna Boy, Blur, and Liam Gallagher. And in Japan, MiSaMo, made up of members of the super group TWICE, hit No.

1 with their first album. We continue to bolster our local success in multiple territories across the globe. We have No. 1 hits by Gobs in Denmark; Kjartan Lauritzen in Norway; AVA, ANA, and Capo Plaza in Italy; Elva Hsiao in China; and Jasleen Royal in India, just to name a few.

At the same time, we brought bold, innovative thinking to attracting new fans to our legendary artist and classic recordings. Recent examples included a new deluxe edition of Talking Heads' "Stop Making Sense," the 15th anniversary of Slipknot's "All Hope Is Gone," and the 20th anniversary of Linkin Park's Meteora. With Madonna on tour, it's been a pleasure to find new ways to create cultural moments around her iconic career. These include a series of remix albums, the special pride edition of her box set containing 50 No.

1 tracks, and the celebratory viral campaign, We Love Madonna. In music publishing, our powerful momentum continues as Warner Chappell writers contributed to eight out of 14 Billboard No. 1 spots in Q4, including Zach Bryan's "I Remember Everything" and "Last Night" by Morgan Wallen. We're always expanding our publishing roster and have recently signed hotly contested deals with up and coming stars, Kaliii and Laufey and Maria Becerra.

We're always reinvigorating our incredible publishing catalog, which includes evergreen copyrights from composers such as George Michael, who was just inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame; Gamble and Huff; Van Morrison; and Stephen Sondheim. As we speak, there are three Sondheim musicals running in New York, including a revival of "Sweeney Todd" starring Warner record star, Josh Groban, which was just nominated for a Grammy. Looking forward to a new fiscal year, I'm even more optimistic than I was when I started. We're excited about the trends we're seeing in the industry and energized by our plans to capitalize on them.

Let's start with the industry. It bears repeating, music is the most popular form of entertainment, and it's only getting bigger. Our addressable market encompasses virtually everyone on the planet. Growth in the music business is now well aligned with the opportunities constantly being created by the ongoing global penetration of smartphones and internet service.

Ever since I arrived at WMG, I've been laser-focused on how we can realize the true value of music. I'm grateful to all of our partners who are leaning in and figuring out how we make positive changes together. We're taking a two-pronged approach. First, price optimization.

I see this as the most immediate and impactful growth lever for our industry. A more sophisticated and dynamic approach to consumer pricing will benefit the streaming platforms, music companies, artists, and songwriters, the entire ecosystem, driving greater investment and innovation. In the last year, we've seen the first round of subscription price increases across every major DSP, and we strongly believe there is a greater pricing opportunity in the future. Second, the evolution of royalty models.

We've been consistently clear that streaming services should ascribe more value to what their customers value most. It's the creativity of popular artists and songwriters that deliver subscriber engagement and growth. To state the obvious, premium music should be better compensated than low-quality filler or functional music. We were delighted to work with Deezer to help shape their new approach to rewarding premium music.

Look out for similar developments with other partners in the coming months. While these proof points represent a good start, they are just that. We will continue to work collaboratively with our partners to align behind the long-term growth of the industry. I just told you why we're excited about the music industry.

Now, let me explain why we're excited about Warner Music Group specifically. The future of music will be forged at the intersection of creativity and technology. With that in mind, we're carving out a distinctive proposition through the combination of the following: one, a deep iconic catalog, as well as up and coming talent and thriving superstars; two, global scale with strong local capabilities and the discovery and promotion of talent; three, the ability to use technology as a force multiplier on the previous two attributes. Our commitment to each of these key areas is always underpinned by our focus on financial discipline, and we're constantly challenging ourselves to operate more efficiently and effectively.

As a rule of thumb, our recorded music revenue is evenly split among three release vintages: new releases, which are less than three years old; shallow catalog, which is more than three but less than 10 years old; and deep catalog, which is more than 10 years old. We invest in A&R and marketing across each of these vintages to create a consistent flow of music from our artists and songwriters all around the world, past, present, and future. We pride ourselves on discovering original talent and unique voices with long-term potential. We provide them with tailored approaches to become standout global success stories.

Think one-of-a-kind genre-defying artists like Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Zach Bryan, and many more. The beauty of the streaming universe is that every time one of our superstars releases a new album or goes on the tour or scores a big same placement, the fan engagement spikes across their entire body of work. Equally, in the world of playlisting and social media and a track from our catalog can go viral at any moment. These big hits from legends like Fleetwood Mac, Boney M., and Madonna explode on multiple platforms, introducing these artists to a new generation.

For instance, my 20-year-old daughter discovered Fleetwood Mac when their 1977 hit, "Dreams," went viral on TikTok two years ago. They are now her favorite band of all time. To fuel, maximize, and monetize this uplift in engagement requires real expertise and a wide network of relationships. This is how we demonstrate our value and our relevance in the entertainment ecosystem, not just by discovering talent and promoting their latest works but by thinking holistically about their careers and growing their legacies.

Our entrepreneurial culture extends to how we select which companies to invest in or acquire. A perfect example is our new venture with 10K Projects, which brings us a dynamic artist roster, fresh catalog, and a visionary team led by Elliot Grainge. Investing in our core business isn't just about the recordings and compositions that we own. It's also about leveling up our distribution business in ways that delivers profitable growth.

We created more capacity for ADA to focus on developing new distribution partnerships and for our technology team to build scalable solutions to enable these partnerships. In the last year, we signed deals with a range of labels, including Australia's Last Ride Records, the U.K.'s LAB Records and the U.S. Rostrum Records, which launched the careers of hip-hop stars like Mac Miller and Wiz Khalifa. Let me turn now to our approach to global expansion and emerging markets.

For some time now, our goal hasn't been just to market Anglo-American repertoire in local markets. Instead, we signed and develop local talent that can have regional or global success. As I've mentioned before, we're making great inroads in fast-growing territories like China, the Middle East, and Africa. India is a great example of this strategy in action.

With a vast population of 1.4 billion people and its huge diversity of demographics, India has an endlessly evolving music scene. According to IFPI, India has more than doubled its recorded music revenue over the last five years, and it also has the highest growth of any top 20 country in 2022 at 48%. We've made huge strides since first launching our local office in Mumbai in 2020. This year alone, we've grown our presence there by acquiring E-Positive, an Indian management and live events company; launching a new JV, 91 NORTH RECORDS; and expanding our partnership with Sky Digital, an aggregator of Punjabi music.

Our team in India is attracting massive stars, including hip hop artist, King, who became the first Indian performer to hit Spotify's global top 30. The music ecosystem is healthy and has a number of exciting growth drivers. With price increases happening across all major DSPs, royalty models evolving to reward quality, and emerging markets gaining traction, we're very confident and positive about the path ahead. We're excited about our new releases for fiscal '24, including some that came out just last Friday from David Guetta, Jack Harlow, PinkPantheress, and, of course, Dua Lipa, who had her biggest global launch to date with her new single, "Houdini." There are also eagerly anticipated projects from Green Day, Kenya Grace, Fred Again, Gabby Barrett, Maria Becerra, and Myke Towers, among many others.

We've been working hard to build a WMG that will excel in the music industry of tomorrow. Our work is already beginning to bear fruit, and I assure you that there is much more excitement to come. And now, here's Bryan to walk you through our financial results.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. I am extremely excited to be here, and I'm looking forward to engaging closely with the investment community. In my brief time at Warner Music Group, I've been impressed with the work that we are doing. We are investing in our already strong core and leveraging technology, which will continue to augment our growth through a rapidly changing music industry.

We have strong momentum ahead and we'll share regular updates with you as our progress continues. Now, turning to our Q4 results. As Robert highlighted, our performance in the quarter was underpinned by a solid release slate and a recovery in ad-supported streaming, which drove sequential acceleration in our recorded music streaming growth. This fuels our second-half improvement which, combined with our disciplined cost management, enabled us to deliver robust adjusted OIBDA growth and margin expansion for the full year.

There are a couple of items throughout the quarter and the year that affected comparability. These include the impacts from the CRB to capital royalty rate increase, a copyright settlement, and an extra reporting week. The details and adjustments relating to these items can be found in our earnings press release. I will provide growth rates in constant currency and normalized for these items.

In Q4, total revenue grew 5% and adjusted OIBDA increased 18% and with a margin of 20%, an increase of 230 basis points over the prior-year quarter. On a normalized basis, total revenue grew 6%, and adjusted OIBDA increased 31% with a margin of 19.9%, an increase of 370 basis points over the prior-year quarter. Recorded music revenue grew 2% and 5% on a normalized basis. Despite a challenging comparison to the prior-year quarter, our streaming revenue grew 9%, an improvement from the 7% we reported in Q3.

Subscription streaming revenue grew by approximately 10%, representing healthy growth over the 13% we delivered in the prior-year quarter and was in line with Q3. Ad-supported revenue increased by 7%. Physical revenue increased 6%, driven by strong performance in the U.S., including from new releases like the "Barbie" soundtrack, Fifty Fifty, G I-DLE, and Mac Miller. Artist services and expanded rights revenue decreased 11%.

The decrease was due to lower merchandising revenue in the U.S. tied to timing of touring cycles and economic headwinds in Europe that continue to impact our E&P business. This was partially offset by higher concert promotion revenue. Licensing revenue grew by 7% due to higher broadcast fees.

Recorded music adjusted OIBDA grew by 23% with a margin of 21.8%, an increase of 370 basis points. On a normalized basis, adjusted OIBDA increased by 32% with margin expansion of 450 basis points. Music publishing continues to deliver impressive results with revenue growth of 15%, driven by strength across all revenue lines. On a normalized basis, revenue grew 13%.

Digital revenue increased 19% and streaming revenue increased 26%. On a normalized basis, digital revenue grew 15% and streaming revenue increased 17%, reflecting the continued growth in streaming and the impact of digital deal renewals. Mechanical and performance revenue increased by 42% and 2%, respectively, while sync revenue increased by 3%, primarily due to stronger performance in the U.S. Music publishing adjusted OIBDA; grew 19% with a margin of 24.8%, an increase of 90 basis points.

On a normalized basis, Music publishing adjusted OIBDA grew 17% with a margin of 24.9%, an increase of 80 basis points. Moving to our full year results. Total revenue grew 4%. And adjusted OIBDA grew 10% with a margin of 20.5%, an increase of 120 basis points.

On a normalized basis, total revenue grew 6%, and adjusted OIBDA grew 17% with a margin of 20.4%, an increase of 190 basis points. We over-delivered our margin expansion guidance even as most of the cost savings from our March restructuring were reinvested to drive our business forward. Recorded music revenue increased 2%. Within recorded music, streaming revenue increased 4%, and adjusted OIBDA grew 7% with margin expansion of 120 basis points.

On a normalized basis, recorded music revenue increased 4% and streaming revenue grew 6% with adjusted OIBDA growth of 13% and margin expansion of 180 basis points. Music publishing revenue increased 15%, and adjusted OIBDA increased 28% with margin expansion of 270 basis points. On a normalized basis, music publishing revenue increased by 16%, and adjusted OIBDA increased by 28% with margin expansion of 270 basis points. We continue to successfully launch certain components of our financial transformation program in select territories.

The program remains on track to meaningfully roll out later this fiscal year and into FY '25. Once fully implemented, we expect the program to yield annualized run rate savings of $35 million to $40 million. Q4 capex of $38 million was the same as the prior-year quarter. Q4 operating cash flow decreased 17% and to $338 million from $406 million in the prior-year quarter.

The decrease was primarily driven by working capital items, which included higher royalty advances and the timing of digital deal renewals. Free cash flow decreased 18% to $300 million from $368 million in the prior-year quarter. For the full year, operating cash flow decreased 7% to $687 million, and free cash flow decreased 8% to $560 million. We delivered operating cash flow conversion with 56% for the full year, in line with our target of 50% to 60% over a multiyear period.

As of September 30, we had a cash balance of $641 million, total debt of $4 billion, and net debt of $3.3 billion. Our weighted average cost of debt is 4.1%, and our nearest maturity date is in 2028. While growth was muted in the first half as we had some release schedule softness, we recovered to end the year on solid footing and already have momentum in 2024. We are off to a strong start with new releases from Dua Lipa, David Guetta, Jack Harlow, PinkPantheress, and many others.

As we look ahead to the fiscal Q1, I want to call out a couple of items that will impact comparability. First, we announced that our digital distribution agreement with BMG will end. To frame the impact, the total revenue contribution from BMG in fiscal 2023 and was approximately 4% of total recorded music digital revenue with negligible contribution to adjusted OIBDA. BMG has already started to bring its digital distribution in-house, and it will be largely rolled off by the end of October 2024.

The impact to our Q1 '24 recorded music digital revenue will be approximately $15 million as both Spotify and Apple will transition this month. This impact will increase in Q2 and beyond as we will see the full quarter impact from the roll-off of these DSPs and as BMG gradually brings other digital partners in-house. We will also discontinue BMG's physical distribution by the end of October 2024. The BMG's physical distribution revenue represented less than 2% of our recorded music revenue in fiscal 2023.

We will provide details going forward and disclose normalized growth adjusted for the impact of these items. Second, we have granted a licensing agreement extension for a catalog that will have a one-time favorable impact on recorded music licensing revenue and adjusted OIBDA of approximately $70 million in fiscal Q1 2024. While this is a multiyear licensing agreement extension, the revenue and adjusted OIBDA will be fully recognized in Q1. Our goal is to deliver healthy top-line growth, margin expansion, and cash flow conversion on a consistent basis.

2024 has started with much stronger momentum than we had entering 2023 and we expect our slate throughout the year. We will invest more heavily in A&R and marketing in 2024 to ensure the success of our slate. We still expect to deliver approximately 100 basis points of margin expansion for the full year, which will be back-half weighted, as well as 50% to 60% of operating cash flow conversion on a multiyear basis, in line with our targets. The momentum in the music entertainment business is strong, and we continue to position ourselves for long-term success and growth.

Before I close, I also want to take a moment to thank Eric. His contributions to Warner Music Group and leadership of the finance team have been measurable. I'm grateful for his and the team's support and such a smooth transition. Thank you to everyone for joining us today.

We'll now open the call for questions.

Questions & Answers:

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Omar Mejias with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Omar Mejias -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

Good morning, guys, and thank you for taking my questions. Robert, maybe first, I wanted to ask, if you continue to evaluate some of the necessary investments to better position the company, how do you think about the balance between investment in A&R versus tech? And second, now that you've freed up some resources in ADA, how should we think about your priorities to drive growth and maximize ROI in that business going forward? Thank you.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

All right. Thank you Thanks for the question. So, here's the way to think about it. We're a music company that's benefiting from the tailwinds of the music industry that we just described.

The way we invest and grow is, first and foremost, into IP, and that has multiple different ways, multiple different forms. One, which is organic A&R, which we do day in, day out, investing into new artists or existing artists and their new releases. Two, we acquire stakes in going concerns, the acquisition of 10K is a really good example from a couple of months ago. Three, we acquired catalogs, whether it's on the publishing side, on recorded side, David Bowie catalog from a couple of years ago is a good example of that.

And then, we look at all of these activities all around the world. I just described in the earnings call, our success in many different high-growth markets. So, we're replicating all of these activities in different geographies. So, it's like a four-pronged approach.

Then, we layer on top of that investments into technology, which becomes a force multiplier on everything I just mentioned. That is the main goal. And what we do with the technology investments are 100% self-funded. That's what we committed to earlier last year, and that's what we are committing to going forward as well.

And when we do this, we're creating a flywheel that is allowing us to continue our investments into growth, continue our overall growth, and continue to expand our margins at the same time. That's the strategy for our investment framework. As it relates to ADA and the freed up resources, the best way to think about it is, we have an amazing team of executives that have driven the ADA business for quite a few years. We are focusing on growing both our top line and our bottom line with a very strong global orientation, just, again, in line with what I just mentioned earlier and even a minute ago.

And we're focused on working with more and more labels and more and more artists all around the world and scaling that business. And technology is a really big part of that because it helps us do that more efficiently and faster and with less friction. And a great example of that is the focus of Ariel's team, who runs our technology group, to overhaul our supply chain and all of our partner-facing tools that, from a technology standpoint, enables this for the business team to drive acceleration in that business. So, all-in, the strategy to grow ADA is there as it was before because the independent space is growing, and we're leaning into that space.

And two, we're just doing it differently. We're doing it in a way that is driving both top line and bottom line at the same time.

Omar Mejias -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. And welcome, Bryan, to Warner Music, at least on the public earnings call.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Robert, could you talk a little bit about streaming growth, recorded music streaming growth, as you head into fiscal '24. It would seem between the Spotify price increases, some of the activity in artist-centric and your slate, we should see some acceleration from kind of the exit rate of high single digits that you guys just delivered? That's my first question. And I guess, secondly, you know, I think you called out $10 million of incremental investment in technology in the quarter. I'm sure you won't share everything.

But can you talk a little bit about where that money is going and when that might translate into sort of business outcomes that you think we would see externally? Thank you.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thank you. So, first, on sort of overall streaming growth, obviously, we're pleased with the industry returning to a high -- I mean, to a very healthy double-digit growth. The way I think about it is that I'm not really looking at our competitors.

I'm not looking at the world around us. I'm focusing on our own continual and sustained improvements. I want our company to just keep on improving on a steady basis and, most importantly, on a sustained basis. It's very, very important.

The, obviously, investments into A&R and all of that, that I just mentioned a few minutes ago goes into that. But at the same time, we're investing in technology. And the best way to think about that is there's a lot of foundational work that helps us actually deliver on that sustained growth promise from a technological standpoint. I just mentioned overhauling our supply chain infrastructure.

While that may sound very unsexy, the -- what benefits the business is very sexy because it's removing lots of friction and increasing speed in the way we can process more music, more partners, more artists through our supply chain. And so, whether it's something that we wholly own, or whether it's a partner of ADA with greatly externalized tools and improved tools, all of that contribute toward the growth of the company while delivering on our margin expansion. So, that's just one example on the technology front.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Ben. It's Bryan. Nice to talk to you. I just want to comment on the streaming growth and loop back to my remarks where, you know, Q4 over Q4, we had a really strong Q4 '22 and had subscription streaming growth there of 13%.

And I think we were 400, 500 basis points above some of our competitors. So, that comparison may be muted the quarter a little bit, and we're set up, as Robert said, with the second half momentum that we continued and a stronger release slate in '24, particularly in the second half. And so, we feel good about that. And just a reminder on the price increases, that there's a lot that goes into those, and those take time to roll through the industry.

There's -- you know, from announcement to implementation, geography, product mix. So, there's a lot there as it works through our numbers, but we're set up well for '24. Thanks for the question.

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sebastiano Petti with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Sebastiano Petti -- JPMorgan Chase and Company -- Analyst

Bryan, welcome aboard. Eric, congratulations again on your retirement. Just wanted to ask on the -- Bryan, if you could clarify the margin expansion target for the year. Is that 100 basis points on a reported basis? Or is that ex-BMG? And additionally, just help us think about the phasing.

I think you said most of that is back-half weighted, but you do also have a pretty substantial licensing coming through in the first half, so just trying to better understand that. And then, a question for Robert. Robert, can you tell us about the AI feature you announced this morning with YouTube and, more generally, how you're thinking about AI impacting the industry? It seems to have been -- you know, become less of a fear than, perhaps, a couple of quarters ago?

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Sounds good. Bryan, why don't you --

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Sebastiano, thanks. On the margin expansion, as I said in my remarks, that 100 basis points a year target remains for us, and we had a strong over-delivery on an organic basis of a couple of hundred-plus basis points in '23. And so that is an organic target ex-BMG for us. And that will -- particularly, as we work through the year, it will be gradual.

As we work through and get the benefit, I think of many releases in the second half. And that margin would also be excluding the catalog license sale in Q1. We continue to challenge ourselves in that regard, and we feel good about it as the team continues to be, I think, really active and vigilant cost managers and disciplined on the financial front. So, we continue to keep focused on that target.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Let me take the second part of the question on the beta that was announced this morning with YouTube, the AI beta. So, first, I'd like to actually point out to the significance of this, which is imagine in early 2000s, if the file sharing companies came to the music industry and said, "Would you like to experiment with this new tool that we built and see how it impacts the industry and how we can work together," it would have been incredible. Obviously, that didn't happen. So, this is the first time that a large platform at a massive scale, that has new tools at his disposal, is proactively reaching out to its partners to test and learn.

And I just want to underscore the significance of this kind of engagement and the sort of the orderly fashion in which this is happening. And I really applaud YouTube and DeepMind, all of Google, and our counterparts in the industry for participating in this because this is the right way to engage this. Whenever I say responsible engagement with our partners, this is precisely what I mean. And so, we're excited about it.

We're excited to learn from it. And together, we then develop a great blueprint for how things should work, but develop it based on learnings. More broadly, the way I think about our engagement on AI and what we practice is along the following lines. We have three constituents.

One, which is degenerative AI engines, right, so whether it's DeepMind, Anthropic, LaMDA, etc. And there, that's -- obviously, that's where it begins. And there, our efforts in the music industry are focused on making sure that they're licensing content for training, they're keeping records of inputs so that provenance can be tracked, and then there's water marketing of the content. The second group is the platforms where most of the content, irrespective of where it will be created and by which tools, will end up because people who are creating will want views or streams or you know, lots of user engagement.

And with -- so YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, etc., obviously those are the platforms, Spotify. We're focused on three things, which is control, attribution, and monetization. And all of those wrapped in choice, you know, for artists and songwriters, making sure that they have a choice. And we have a blueprint from all of our work on user-generated content over the past 15 years or so, which created a multibillion-dollar industry on an annual basis for the music industry, so we just need to now write the fine print for the AIH together with them.

And then, the third set of constituents is government. And over there, we are both through our trade organizations as well as ourselves working hard to make sure that regulation around AI respects the creative industries, music industry specifically from our standpoint. Licensing for training is required and also that name, image, likeness, and voice is afforded the same protection as copyright. And I, myself, I personally have spent time over the last month with leading politicians on these issues and regulators in London, Brussels, Tokyo, and a few others -- D.C.

and a few other cities around the world. So, lots of effort underway, but I'm really excited and positive about the YouTube beta.

Sebastiano Petti -- JPMorgan Chase and Company -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Batya Levi with UBS. Your line is open.

Batya Levi -- UBS -- Analyst

Great. Thank you. Can you provide a bit more color on the recent deals you've signed with the DSPs and some of the benefits you expect to see beyond the price increases we've seen at them? And a second question in terms of acquiring new catalogs. Can you talk what you're seeing in the market right now? We've seen some activity among the smaller labels.

What do you think about valuations and availability of new IP? Thank you.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thank you. So, we obviously don't talk about the details of our DSP agreements. But what I can say on the most recent one, with these, we're really excited to work with them on what was the second prong of our driving the value of music strategy, right? The first prong is price optimization, and second one is new royalty models.

And that's where this one is falling in. And we, again, really like it when we're engaging with our partners. And again, I'm stressing that it's not just one company, that you have multiple companies in the industry doing so. That's really, really important because, again, from my experience on the DSP side, if you just have one engaging with you, yes, it's helpful but not that helpful because you need to scale things appropriately across the ecosystem and the industry.

So, I'm always focused on the fact that it shouldn't be just us or it shouldn't be just the other guys. It should be multiple large companies, you know, independent as many of us working together, trying to develop better models and drive the value of music. So, we're committed to doing that on multiple fronts. And we want to make sure that the better value for music is reflected.

That value is reflected better. And I forgot the second part of the question.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Catalog.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Catalog acquisitions. Yes, I look at catalog as our natural resource in general. It's incredible. The catalog that Warner Music Group has is priceless.

It's a gift that keeps on giving. And I use the example of my 20-year-old daughter, who two years ago, discovered Fleetwood Mac and became their biggest fan. That says everything, right? And that is what drives a big, big driver of the value of our company and then all of our efforts to keep on creating new catalogs on new releases and finding new stars that we mentioned. Zach Bryan is an amazing example of that.

Obviously, there's been a lot of catalog sales over the last few years that drove up valuations. I think we're starting to see all kinds of fluctuations in that space. And we are very active, and we're watching things in all geographies. And it's a really big part of our focus to make sure that we're opportunistic and strategic at the same time about deploying our capital at the right price where we, through our predictions, see a strong and growing performance of the underlying entities.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. And I would just add on that capital allocation that Robert mentioned, and I think he had mentioned it before as well, you know, we were always looking to invest in A&R and new artists and licenses. There's also JVs like 10K we can do that through. And then, there is the purchase of catalog that is certainly a big part of our business that we continue to mine and their value continues to grow.

And then, that's supplemented by marketing and tech investments to, you know, for some fuel to grow those returns. But overall, we look at this through the lens of how do we drive our return on invested capital and keeping that and growing in the high teens.

Batya Levi -- UBS -- Analyst

That's great. Just a quick follow-up. I think, Robert, last time, you had mentioned that you did not renew with Spotify yet. We seem to think that you have since then.

Would you be willing to provide an update? Thank you.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. So, generally, we do not provide updates on timing of our deals. So, I would say speculating on those is probably not the best practice. And there's really nothing to announce.

And when we have something, we will. But there's nothing of note to speak of.

Batya Levi -- UBS -- Analyst

OK. Thanks so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Black with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Benjamin Black -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Robert, I just want to go back on your comments around sort of optimized retail pricing. So, beyond just broad-based price increases, what would that entail? Are you sort of speaking about the introduction of new tier segments in the market a little bit differently? Sort of how should we interpreting your comments there? Could you dig into that a little bit? And then, my second question is on the advertising side of the business.

So, you know, what are we seeing in terms of core music ad-supported revenue, if we exclude the impact of some of these new platform deals? And just looking forward, can you sort of talk about the ad market environment and how we should think about ad-supported revenue going forward?

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, when you -- I think it's for price optimization, I think it's really important to sort of broaden the scope of thinking. And I don't mean -- I mean, it's both for our partners, as well as for ourselves, the suppliers. And let me give you an example.

You know, aside from, obviously, everything that I said before, which is catch up to inflation, get ahead of inflation, compare yourself to other industries, understand price elasticity, all of those things. So, those are sort of basics. And so, I'm not going to go back into that. But there are other things to look at.

For instance, the relationship and the ratio of family plan pricing relative to individual plan pricing, is it at the right place? So, even as price increases are happening, is the ratio of these two correct? You can go further, widen the aperture further by looking at China. There are no family plans in China. They are only individual accounts. Another example from China is that while you have a subscription on Tencent, certain artists or bands are selling their LPs on top of the subscription.

And so, it is so useful to have a really broad aperture on all of these things and not just think myopically through how things happen and only look at the dollars within that. And I'll just give you only two examples. There are others. And there's just so many different ways to think through this.

So, I think, you know, what's required for that is deep collaboration with our partners and making sure that the changes are win-win for both sides and that we drive the ecosystem up and to the right together at faster rate.

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Ben, it's Bryan. I'll take the ad-supported that we're seeing. Definite improvement there, I think everybody is familiar with the first-half challenges and advertising recession. And so that rate of growth, that rate of improvement continues.

And even without the addition of TikTok, in the combined revenue report there, we'd still be up. We'd still see a good improvement on the rate of change. And so, we like the trends there and are encouraged, also encouraged, I think, by -- even with Spotify's remarks were. And that I think as you look across, I think performance and streaming probably being stronger, performance and targeted advertising in the streaming space being stronger than the larger advertising space.

And so, it sets it up well for '24, and we feel good about the outlook there.

Benjamin Black -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Fantastic. And, Eric, congrats on the great one. Wish you all the best in your retirement. Thank you.

Eric Levin -- Outgoing Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Ben. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Jason Bazinet with Citi. Your line is now open.

Jason Bazinet -- Citi -- Analyst

I really like the way you think about the business in terms of getting the pricing right and finding win-wins with your distribution partners. Where do you think, just conceptually, where there's the most agreement for a win-win where you sense that there's -- where you are on the same page with your distribution partners? Because I agree with you, there's value there, but I think where The Street is going to struggle is whether or not you can sort of move the needle with new agreements with the DSPs.

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I think earlier, during my opening monologue, I said there's been great progress, but it's just a start. And it really is just that. And I feel like we're in the first inning of it.

And I'm not saying this because I'm in an earnings call with investors. I actually 100% mean this when I look at the full scope of all the work that needs to be done and the opportunity that is ahead of us. With some partners, we're much further along. With others, less so.

But what you see is that generally, when you make progress with one, others tend to follow in different ways, you know, within 12 months. So, we are taking a prioritized approach to this. I think the agreement is that the TAM of the market is probably greater than what we have been thinking about in terms of revenue. And I think the agreement is that other industries have optimized their pricing better than we have.

That doesn't mean that we've done anything wrong because we also had to get huge amounts of people into the premium experience and revenue. I think the -- what we have to figure out is how they get wins through this process in a way that it drives wins for us. And that's where there are different ways. And this goes to the aperture broadening a little bit that we have to think through different ways, not just the ways that we've been used to thinking about.

You know, a lot of this work takes -- it takes a while. These things don't happen overnight. But it's important that it begins and then it's done in a deeply analytical fashion because that is what the DSPs will do. And that it's done in a collaborative fashion because they need to bring the industry on not just one or two partners.

So, that's where we're focused on. I just want to close with one last thing to add, which is this weekend, I was just listening to some music on Spotify and then I looked at their charts just on my phone. And right there, on my screen, I saw No. 2 -- this was in the U.S., No.

2, "Lovin On Me" by Jack Harlow; our artist; No. 3, "I Remember Everything" by Zach Bryan, our artist; and No. 4, "My Love Mine All Mine" by Mitski, who's with us on publishing. And this was -- I took a screenshot of that, and this is my favorite screen chart of this year.

Three of four in Spotify in the U.S. with us, and it's just a great testament to our teams who, in the beginning of the year, when I was in my first earnings call, I was sick, my voice was really bad, and we didn't have the best results, and we said we know what we're doing. We will deliver through the year, and we have. And the team has done it, and it's just amazing to be able to see the deliveries.

So, I just want to thank the entire company for hustling and doing that, and we commit to do that forward again. And I want to be the last one to say, again, thank you, Eric, for everything that you've done for the company. And we may call on you here and there to take you out of your boredom, but thank you. It's been amazing to have you, and thank you for all your contribution.

Eric Levin -- Outgoing Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Robert. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. [Operator signoff]

Duration: 0 minutes

Call participants:

Kareem Chin -- Head of Investor Relations

Robert Kyncl -- Chief Executive Officer

Bryan Castellani -- Chief Financial Officer

Omar Mejias -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

Ben Swinburne -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Sebastiano Petti -- JPMorgan Chase and Company -- Analyst

Batya Levi -- UBS -- Analyst

Benjamin Black -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Eric Levin -- Outgoing Chief Financial Officer

Jason Bazinet -- Citi -- Analyst

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