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DATE

Friday, May 8, 2026 at 8:00 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• President & Chief Executive Officer — Dominic Frederico
• Chief Operating Officer — Robert Bailenson
• Chief Financial Officer — Benjamin Rosenblum
• Managing Director of Investor Relations — Robert Tucker

TAKEAWAYS

• Adjusted Operating Income -- $115 million, or $2.50 per share, incorporating a $21 million after-tax benefit from Sound Point fund carried interest and a $33 million onetime tax benefit from U.K. Pillar Two global minimum tax changes.
• New Business Production (PVP) -- $73 million for the quarter, nearly double prior-year’s $39 million, with U.S. public finance PVP up 92% to $48 million, non-U.S. public finance at $8 million, and global structured finance contributing $17 million.
• Asset Management Segment Income -- $44 million in adjusted operating income, about 4x the amount reported in the comparable prior-year period.
• Alternative Investments -- Portfolio fair value of $965 million producing an inception-to-date IRR of 12%, versus a 4.2% three-year average yield for the fixed maturity portfolio.
• Net Earned Premiums and Credit Derivative Revenues -- $90 million this quarter compared to $89 million in the previous year’s first quarter.
• Deferred Premium Revenue -- Stable at $3.8 billion from the preceding quarter.
• Share Repurchases -- 882,000 shares bought back for $75 million at an average price of $85.58 per share, with a reduction in the three-month target to $30 million to prioritize capital for insurance and annuity reinsurance growth opportunities.
• Dividend Distributions -- $18 million returned to shareholders; quarterly dividend per share increased from $0.10 to $0.38 since inception of repurchase program.
• Municipal Market Penetration -- Guaranteed 53% of insured municipal par issued and insured $4 billion in par value through primary and secondary markets.
• Large Transaction Highlights -- Nine deals exceeded $100 million in insured par, with the single largest being $444 million in taxable military housing bonds for Fort Carson.
• Fund Finance Structured Transactions -- Maturities typically range from a few months to just over two years, with most transactions expected to renew at maturity; capital is recycled rapidly and earnings recognized quickly.
• Capital Management Track Record -- Over $6 billion returned to shareholders and 81% of initial shares repurchased since program inception.
• Record Per-Share Valuations -- Adjusted operating shareholders’ equity of $128.61 per share and adjusted book value of $188.74 per share as of period-end.
• Holding Company Liquidity -- $153 million total, with $56 million at the AGL entity.
• Below Investment-Grade Loss Development -- $44 million primarily attributed to Brightline and PREPA; losses from Brightline "are well within our unearned premium reserve and therefore, have not yet been recognized."

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RISKS

• Frederico stated, “we have to protect the company relative to its ratings,” noting that capital has been reallocated away from share repurchases due in part to “myopic views of loss activity such as Brightline in terms of what the capital charges are coming out of the rating agencies.”
• Rosenblum cited $44 million in below investment-grade economic loss development, primarily related to PREPA and Brightline, acknowledging ongoing loss expense tied to PREPA and noting unrecognized Brightline loss exposure within unearned premium reserves.
• Frederico addressed the Brightline situation, stating, "our accounting model requires us to consider all possible scenarios and probably weight them. We got to put a scenario out there that's got some loss content in it," indicating explicit recognition of potential loss risk in certain modeled outcomes.
• Management communicated a reduction in share buybacks to $30 million over the next three months, citing the need to fund new business growth and maintain capital strength amid uncertain credit charges.

SUMMARY

Assured Guaranty Ltd. (AGO 0.04%) reported a sharp increase in new business production, driven by nearly doubled PVP and highlighted by significant growth in U.S. public finance and structured finance transactions. The company leveraged alternative investments that generated a 12% IRR and contributed to record per-share valuations for adjusted operating shareholders’ equity and book value. Dividend payouts increased and liquidity remained solid, but capital deployment shifted, with management prioritizing strategic growth opportunities and rating agency considerations over historic levels of share repurchases.

• Management expects continued strong demand for core products, with a robust deal pipeline underway for the following quarter in both municipal and global structured finance markets.
• Robert Bailenson described increasing institutional demand for the company’s guaranty as providing “greater price stability and improved market liquidity” for insured bonds.
• Annuity reinsurance business is progressing, with Assured Life Re integrating talent and securing market interest in both the U.S. MYGA and U.K. PRT markets.
• The company affirmed active adoption of artificial intelligence initiatives, including credit surveillance and client interaction, as a tool to increase velocity and efficiency across underwriting and reporting.
• Large deal activity and repeatable structured finance transactions were confirmed as key strategic drivers of return on equity expansion going forward.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• PVP (Present Value of Premiums): The present value of estimated future premium collections on new insurance policies or guarantees written, used as a measure of new business volume.
• MYGA (Multi-Year Guaranteed Annuity): A fixed annuity contract that guarantees a set interest rate for a specified period, commonly used in U.S. retirement and reinsurance markets.
• PRT (Pension Risk Transfer): A transaction in which an insurance company assumes some or all of the liabilities associated with pension plans from a sponsoring employer, typically via annuity purchases.
• PREPA: Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority, a frequently cited distressed credit within the municipal bond sector.
• Brightline: Refers to a high-profile U.S. passenger rail credit cited repeatedly as a below investment-grade exposure with recognized and potential loss implications.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Turning to the presentation. Our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of Assured Guaranty Limited; Rob Bailenson, our Chief Operating Officer; and Ben Rosenblum, our Chief Financial Officer. After their remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. As the webcast is not enabled for Q&A, please dial into the call if you'd like to ask a question. I will now turn the call over to Dominic.

Dominic Frederico: Thank you, Robert, and welcome to everyone joining today's call. Assured Guaranty began 2026 with a strong first quarter. The quarter's adjusted operating income per share came in at $2.50. Our new business production generated $73 million of PVP, almost twice the PVP of last year's first quarter, as we saw increases for each of our three financial guaranteed underwriting groups. Rob will fill in the production details in a few minutes. We also produced $44 million of adjusted operating income in our Asset Management segment during the first quarter of 2026, nearly 4x the amount produced in the first quarter of 2025.

Our pivot to increasing the proportion of alternative investments in our overall investment portfolio over the past few years has increased the all-in return of the investment portfolio. The inception to date annualized internal rate of return for all of our alternative investments was 12% at the end of the first quarter 2026. The Assured Life Re team has received positive feedback from potential customers with clear interest in our AA insurance from AGRO as well as general market desire for fresh reinsurance capacity. Currently, we've had positive discussions with potential partners in the U.S. MYGA market and in the U.K. PRT market, in addition to interest from other non-U.S. potential partners.

We made good progress integrating our staff with experienced employees already employed by Assured Life Re. Annuity reinsurance exemplifies the type of business opportunities we look for those which will further diversify the company, create synergies with our existing business lines, generate attractive returns, have risk profiles in line with ours and benefit from our core competencies. Economic uncertainty, political and geopolitical discord, and war permeate the news investors have been seeing recently. Investors understandably find high-quality municipal bonds attractive. Our guaranty can expand the supply of high-quality bonds and in certain cases, reduce the borrowing costs and support the market value of even naturally AA-rated municipal bonds. We believe municipal bond market issuance will have another strong year.

We're off to a good start for 2026. I believe our financial guaranty business will provide us with many insurance opportunities as we continue to expand our business in U.S. municipals, global infrastructure and structured finance. We are also focused on building out our new annuity reinsurance business and managing our capital prudently and profitably to support the growth in these businesses while protecting our policyholders and rewarding our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Rob to provide more details about our production results.

Robert Bailenson: Thank you, Dominic, and good morning to everyone on the call. Assured Guaranty closed $73 million of PVP in the first quarter of 2026, compared with $39 million of PVP in the first quarter of last year. Year-over-year, total PVP and U.S. public finance PVP each nearly doubled their first quarter results, and structured finance more than doubled its PVP result. U.S. public finance led the way in PVP production with a 92% year-over-year increase to $48 million of PVP, and non-U.S. public finance and global structure finance contributed $8 million and $17 million of PVP, respectively. For the first quarter of 2026, Assured Guaranty, continues to guarantee the majority of insured municipal par issued at 53%.

We insured $4 billion of par in the primary and secondary markets on a close date basis. Market conditions and our mix of business allowed us to produce significantly more PVP than in first quarter 2025, while taking on less nominal exposure. In the secondary market, during the first quarter of 2026, we issued 227 policies compared to 144 policies in the first quarter of last year. Our guaranty has been instrumental in supporting large transactions within the municipal bond market, highlighting the institutional demand for our guaranty. This interest demonstrates that institutions are increasingly acknowledging the benefits our insurance provides, including greater price stability and improved market liquidity.

Our guaranty also allows issuers to attract a broader, often more diversified base of investors, reduce borrowing costs or raise more proceeds without increasing interest rate cost. The first quarter of 2026 included 9 large transactions with insured par over $100 million, including $444 million of a taxable military housing bond for Fort Carson where over 70% of the bonds had an underlying rating of AA and the balance was rated single A; $243 million of Hartford Healthcare revenue bonds issued by Connecticut Health and Educational Facilities Authority; $201 million for the Western Maricopa Education Center district in Arizona; and $102 million in taxable bonds for Brown University Health.

Among AA municipal credits, during the first quarter of 2026, we insured 20 primary and 5 secondary market transactions on a closed date basis, amounting to a total of nearly $900 million in insured par. This activity highlights the value, our guaranty provides as a backstop against headline risk and unexpected fiscal stress, whether from broad economic or financial developments, natural events or other causes. For non-U.S. public finance, new business in the first quarter of 2026 included a secondary local authority transaction in the U.K., annual extensions of liquidity facilities and a primary social housing transaction in France, marking our inaugural primary market guarantee in the social housing sector within the European Union.

Our global structured finance results were produced primarily by fund finance and financial guarantees for life insurance capital management purposes. Fund finance continues to be a strong area of focus for us. This business is typically repeatable flow business. And since the transactions have relatively short lives, we earn the premiums much more rapidly and can recycle the capital more quickly, often within 1 to 2 years. For example, the fund finance transactions we insured in the first quarter of 2026 have maturities that range from a few months to a little over 2 years. And as we said, we expect the majority of these transactions will be renewed at maturity.

As we have discussed in the past, both non-U.S. public and structured finance have expanded the application of our products into various new sectors and geographic markets, and we look to continue to develop additional product applications and new counterparty relationships in line with our strategic objective to accelerate our business growth. For instance, in first quarter 2026, we closed a significant capital relief transaction with a major financial institution in the Asia Pacific region guaranteeing a portfolio of fund finance exposures for a counterparty that we had previously done a modest amount of business with. In closing, we expect demand to continue for our core products and believe we have abundant opportunities to further growth and greater diversification.

We are off to a promising start in the second quarter of 2026, with a good pipeline ahead. Already in the second quarter, for instance, we have insured or issued commitments for: $636 million for the city of Houston's convention and entertainment facilities department; approximately $130 million of senior student housing revenue bonds from Morgan State University in Maryland; approximately $300 million for the Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority in California and several large global structured finance deals. We continue to maintain that at times when challenges or uncertainty arise in the economy and financial markets.

When the cost of borrowing goes up, when market execution becomes less certain or entities are trying to better manage their capital utilization, our products can help optimize a wide variety of transactions so our clients can accomplish more with lower financing costs and obtain capital more efficiently. I will now turn the call over to Ben to discuss our financial results.

Benjamin Rosenblum: Thank you, Dominic and Rob, and good morning. I am pleased to report first quarter 2026 adjusted operating income of $115 million or $2.50 per share. This quarter's results include two noteworthy items: first, a $21 million after-tax benefit attributable to the recognition of carried interest from a Sound Point fund that sold its single underlying asset; and second, a $33 million onetime tax benefit due to changes in the U.K.'s Pillar Two global minimum tax legislation enacted in the first quarter that reduced the company's global minimum tax accrual.

This compares to adjusted operating income of $162 million or $3.18 per share in the first quarter of 2025, which included an $82 million after-tax benefit related to the resolution of the LBIE litigation. Recent new business production has contributed to a steady stream of scheduled net earned premiums and credit derivative revenues, which were $90 million in the first quarter of 2026, compared with $89 million in the first quarter of 2025. Our deferred premium revenue held steady compared to last quarter at $3.8 billion. In addition, alternative investments remain an important part of our overall investment strategy.

We have an inception-to-date-IRR of approximately 12% on the alternative investment portfolio, which compares to an average yield of 4.2% over the past 3 years in our fixed maturity portfolio. As of March 31, 2026, our alternative investments had a fair value of $965 million. This portfolio generated $35 million in pretax adjusted operating income in the first quarter of 2026 compared with $53 million in the first quarter of 2025. Other than the CLO investments, which experienced a decline in value quarter-over-quarter, our remaining alternative investments performed well and delivered relatively consistent results.

The remainder of the available for sale and short-term investment portfolio also performed well, generating $82 million of net investment income in the first quarter of 2026, up from $75 million in the first quarter of 2025 as we shifted that portfolio towards higher-yielding corporate securities. Turning to our below investment-grade exposures. Economic loss development was $44 million in the first quarter of 2026, primarily attributable to Brightline and PREPA. However, loss expense included in adjusted operating income was primarily related to PREPA as the Brightline losses are well within our unearned premium reserve and therefore, have not yet been recognized.

In terms of capital management, in the first quarter of 2026, we repurchased 882,000 shares for $75 million at an average price of $85.58 per share and also returned $18 million in dividends to our shareholders. After over 13 years of consistent share repurchases, we have now bought back 81% of the shares that are outstanding at the start of the program. And in that time, we have returned $6 billion to the shareholders under the program. During that same period, we increased our quarterly dividends per share from $0.10 per share to $0.38 per share which amounted to $929 million of additional distributions to shareholders.

As always, we actively assess the various opportunities to deploy our capital effectively and aim to invest in those that we believe provide the most attractive returns. At this time, we have decided to reduce our share repurchases over the next 3 months to a target of $30 million in order to use a portion of available capital to support our growth opportunities in our financial guaranty insurance and our new annuity reinsurance businesses in addition to other strategic considerations. We are excited to grow this platform, and we are advancing several promising opportunities for new business. Our holding company liquidity as of today is approximately $153 million of which $56 million is at AGL.

As of the end of the first quarter of 2026, we had reached record per-share valuations of $128.61 for adjusted operating shareholders' equity and $188.74 for adjusted book value reflecting the successful execution of our key strategic initiatives. I will now turn the call over to our operator to give you instructions for the Q&A period.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Marisa Lobo at UBS.

Ameeta Lobo Nelson: With about $600 billion -- I'm sorry, could you hear me?

Dominic Frederico: Yes.

Ameeta Lobo Nelson: With about $600 billion of projected muni supply in '26, and if penetration rates hold, what is your target for 2026 new issue insured par, and is the pricing environment supportive to translate into higher growth premiums?

Dominic Frederico: Well, if the market issuance up, we would project our penetration. We would probably remain consistent because of the credit conditions that exist in terms of spreads and rates. But we think the volume alone will give us a growth opportunity as well. As we have some large deals that we know that are in the pipeline that will also help the year. So we expect a strong year, apples to apples. And in terms of return, obviously, now we have a very sophisticated ROE model. We calculate on every risk that we write.

We have a review function now over the whole process to make sure the ROEs are in line with our cost of capital so that we're not leaving at all the value of the company or the opportunities that we see. But we're being selective in terms of our underwriting choices as well as the pricing that we're looking for in terms of spread and return. But like I said, volume will help our volume this year.

Robert Bailenson: And we're seeing more BBB issuance as well as more infrastructure transactions and also in health care, which is giving us a significantly amount more premium on those transactions.

Dominic Frederico: Remember, we're the slave to large deals and large deals have their own timeframe in terms of closing. We've met many quarters, we expected a number of x. And because two deals didn't close at the end of the quarter and fell into the next quarter, they have a very different volume structure. But as I said, if we look at it over the year, you know, apples to apples, we expect the year to be a strong year relative to public finance as well as meet our return hurdles from the standpoint of profitability.

Ameeta Lobo Nelson: Okay. Great. And how are you incorporating AI into your processes? And where do you see the biggest opportunity for it to improve your credit selection?

Dominic Frederico: Well, that probably has the most discussion we're having in the organization. So obviously AI represents a great opportunity for us in terms of being able to do the work we do, which as you appreciate, fairly repetitive on a credit-by-credit basis, on a surveillance basis, on a review of the portfolio basis. A lot of those functions can be machine learned and we're obviously applying it in every facet of our business. And most importantly, you've seen the activity in the secondary market where we continue to push those numbers up significantly, utilizing artificial intelligence as part of the process. But remember, a human being still has to look at it to approve it.

But at the end of the day, the compilation, the accessibility of the data, the molding the data into a format that would fit our process for credit and surveillance is critical to us. So we think as a company that does a lot of repeat functionality, we should be most benefited by the use of AI. And we've got literally an AI committee that looks at everything. We're applying applications kind of across the board in areas you would think of, like financial reporting, Sarbanes-Oxley. So there's a lot of implications or applications that we're applying it to.

And we think it's a critical tool for us to use in the future, both with how we want to manage the company and the business.

Robert Bailenson: And Marissa, we're actually -- that's why you see the velocity of our secondary market transactions go much more quickly because it's -- we're actually using AI to interact with our clients much more quickly as well. In addition, our credit reports are being done using AI, but an individual actually reviews it. But it takes less time for an analyst to actually write them.

Ameeta Lobo Nelson: That's great. And just moving, if I could, to the loss development on Brightline with the going concern audit opinion that was just issued and the interest payment grace period expiring. Can you talk to us, is there any, has AGO been approached for any forbearance or restructuring or what scenario might it move to BIG Category 3 here?

Dominic Frederico: Well, there's a lot of activity on Brightline as you can appreciate, a lot of words in the marketplace in terms of the operations of the organization. However, if you look at our structure in terms of capital, the capital stack is roughly $7 billion. We're half of the top $2.4 billion. So you say to yourself, is the company worth at least $2.4 billion? And the answer resoundingly comes back, absolutely. We don't see this as a loss situation, but obviously we have to compare ourselves to what the rating agencies think in terms of what their capital they're going to assess, how the regulators view it.

As you know, our accounting model requires us to consider all possible scenarios and probably weight them. We got to put a scenario out there that's got some loss content in it. But at the end of the day, we believe in the structure, we believe in our credit underwriting. We stand back on our historical results. And time is on our side. Remember, in our portfolio, there's not any loss that would be significant to us in terms of principal and interest only when due, there's no acceleration. This, I think, has a $58 million payment annually until about 2042. So at the end of the day, it's not free cash flow.

And as I said, I don't mind owning a railroad for $2.4 billion.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt at KBW.

Thomas Mcjoynt-Griffith: First question here for investors that have become accustomed to AGO buying back roughly $500 million of stock in 10 of the last 12 years, was the slower pace of buybacks year to date and the message of a slowdown in buybacks for the next three months, was that meant to signal just a temporary slowdown here or is this a true change in the way you guys think about capital distribution?

Dominic Frederico: Well, when you say temporary, Tommy, that's a good question. I would say we look at the capital management, it's still a critical issue, it's still a critical strategic objective on the company. It's what we pay the most attention to. But at the end of the day, we've shrunk the company significantly. We got to look at how we manage that remaining capital, where the opportunities lie. As we talked about in the life business, for instance, theoretically based on its growth pattern, it could absorb or need somewhere between $50 and $150 million of capital to continue to exercise its growth program over the next 18 months.

We want to make sure we have plenty of capital for that as well as still have enough cushion to protect ourselves from some myopic views of loss activity such as Brightline in terms of what the capital charges are coming out of the rating agencies for that. So we have to protect the company relative to its ratings. We got to provide the opportunity to grow the business. We've done a tremendous job, and I think we get half the credit we deserve for the capital management we've done, as Ben talked about $6 billion, 81% of the outstanding. Well, that's liquidating the company. We want to grow the company.

And we think we've got great opportunities to grow the company. But at the same token, if we can't use the capital, if we see the excess capital continues to build as it has in the past, we will be aggressive in our capital management and of course we'll protect our stock as well.

Thomas Mcjoynt-Griffith: Got it. And then I think we've talked about this in the past, but I just want to confirm that, when you think about your sort of first order or second order exposure to the Middle East crisis, I assume it's -- you think it's pretty minimal, but perhaps thinking of second order impacts around just the level of heightened risk globally, have you guys seen an uptick in terms of like the pipeline or demand for sort of risk mitigation strategies from AGO, specifically over the past few months that you can pinpoint to the crisis in the Middle East.

Dominic Frederico: No, we haven't, Tommy, thank God. If you notice, and I've been in this business in this position for a long time, I've seen probably 4 or 5 recessions, maybe 3 or 4 more global crisis. And at the end of the day, look at the results that Assure has put up. Never had a loss. In order to buy back the amount of stock and pay the dividends we have, we had to be usually profitable. I see nothing affects that going forward. We haven't seen the demand, as you're saying, in terms of people running for the exits.

Our basic policy today where our growth engine is fund finance, which is a very safe, highly rated book of business. We do capital arbitrage, but the volatility in the market does allow us to open up more portals of business opportunity because the spread is widening, spreads increasing, which gives us more opportunity to, a, make money; and b, look at more deals, but we don't see the panic at all. And as I said, in our life history, it really has never had an effect because the portfolio is so well written and so well protected from a credit point of view.

Robert Bailenson: And Tommy, we're seeing the increase in structured finance globally and international infrastructure due to regulatory requirements on banks becoming -- we're part of their solution when it comes to their capital management and capital efficiency and risk management. So that's where we're opening up and they're looking at our financial guarantee as a solution to helping their regulatory capital.

Dominic Frederico: Yes. I think what that says about the company, right, we're opening up more counterparty relationships against banks across the world globe but providing us significant lines of credit capacity that they're going to absorb in terms of Assured's credit risk. Why would that be? Because they realized that the strength of the company, the strength of its financial ratings, the ability to provide this capital arbitrage in spite of the market and the results that we've been able to generate in the past. So I think that alone would indicate the confidence that the market has in us and continues to provide us those opportunities.

Robert Bailenson: I also just want to add that it's in these banks core lending portfolios. It's not anything that their risks that they're concerned about. It's the core lending, they want to service their clients even further.

Thomas Mcjoynt-Griffith: And then if I could just sneak one last modeling one in. Looking at the investment portfolio and excluding the alternative investments, what was your new money yield in the quarter relative to the effective yield on the portfolio?

Benjamin Rosenblum: So I'm going to say -- I don't have the number right in front of me, but I'm going to say we're probably -- the new money yield is probably somewhere a little north of 4%. It's probably 4.4% or so. I might be off by 10 or 15 basis points there.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Geoffrey Dunn at Dowling & Partners.

Geoffrey Dunn: Dominic, I know you don't put hard numbers on this but can you talk about how you think about the level of excess capital in the company or alternatively the ROE drag from the excess capital in the company. Last time I heard a number, it was north of $2 billion. And so outside looking in, it seems like you have enough money for all the above to keep an aggressive buyback plan in place, as well as consider new alternatives. So can you maybe flesh that out a little bit more? And then also, you know, as you pointed out, you bought back over 80% of the company over the last 12 years.

How much is the float of the stock coming into as a factor with your buyback appetite going forward?

Dominic Frederico: Yes. I don't think float is the problem to date. So that could be a problem down the road, but today it's not been a problem. So let's talk about capital. So right now, capital is predominantly equity capital. As we look to the future and see growth opportunities, that mix of capital has to be looked at and examined. Can we bring in more soft capital facilities to let the hard equity capital be aggressively managed from a standpoint of shareholder buybacks for other opportunities? The soft capital also would provide us opportunities to allocate some of that for growth. And right now, we're saying to ourselves, we shrank the company significantly.

Some of the triggers that now exist on the overall balance sheet or portfolio have to be examined more closely, and therefore, soft capital could be a definite wave of the future. As well as when we look at the capital, we have rating agency, we have regulatory. When companies come to us for large deals, they look at our balance sheet, and the size of that balance sheet also gives them the confidence to write a $2 billion deal, a $2.5 billion deal.

So we need to maintain certain size of asset as well, or certain size of balance sheet to make sure that the issuer has full confidence in our ability to execute on the transaction and obviously provide the value that we expect in terms of the loss, cost, liquidity, you know, protection for the ultimate investor. So I think we're going to look at all aspects of the capital and say, are we still a capital management company? Absolutely. Are we still going to use buybacks as a capital management tool? Absolutely. As we looked at the composition of capital, are we going to change the composition? Absolutely. Do we think we have tremendous growth opportunities? Absolutely.

So we're trying to balance all those balls in the air. I think we're doing a pretty good job, and you'll see it by the end of the year whether we've been able to meet the promise or not.

Benjamin Rosenblum: I think it's important, Jeff, that the large deals are where we really get paid. We get paid both on an absolute premium dollar basis typically, and we get paid on a high return basis. And those are the deals we really need to capture to really grow our ROE. As Rob ticked off, we had a bunch of deals in the first quarter that were over $100 million of par. These are the deals we're obviously going after. We need big deals, and we need -- and those are the ones that are really going to drive the higher returns that we're looking forward to.

Robert Bailenson: And don't forget, Jeff, those significantly large fund finance deals earn very, very quickly. So that PVP that comes in structured finance will earn over the next year to two.

Dominic Frederico: And it also releases the capital over the next year.

Robert Bailenson: Exactly.

Dominic Frederico: We've got a lot of things to consider, Jeff. As you appreciate, there's kind of a new wave of opportunity, new wave of businesses that we are looking at. And all that needs some capital. And as I said, we've got to look at the mix of our capital and move to more soft facilities as opposed to hard cash equity in terms of how we meet some of these requirements and still provide ourselves the ability and the capability to do capital management through share repurchases.

Geoffrey Dunn: The magic number has been $500 million for buyback. When you think deploying the business plan for this year, do you anticipate deploying $500 plus million into non-FG, whether it be buyback or annuity re or anything like that? I'm just curious, in terms of the excess capital deployment, is it just where it's going changes but your target amounts don't?

Dominic Frederico: Well, we have the balance is what's running off in the portfolio from the standpoint of capital requirements, what we're putting on in terms of new business. And that delta can go anywhere from flat to maybe plus $200 million depending on the type of business and the way you write the business. So you got that issue. But then we also make money. So that increases the capital.

So we look at the balance of the two, and then look at the new business, I talked about in the life business, we think and we're pretty optimistic in terms of what we see in activity that, that could also require us to put up maybe anywhere between $50 million and $150 million of capital for that growth for the next 2 years.

Benjamin Rosenblum: Yes. And I think we told you after I joined the life business, if we're looking at the life business, we think roughly 2, 3 years we'll get to some kind of steady-state equilibrium, we could probably be printing 10% to 12% returns. And again, we are very focused, as Dominic mentioned earlier, on ROE. This is an area we're 100% focused on. We know we can do better. We are doing better, and we're seeing that, but we do need the capital to use to grow that ROE.

Operator: This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to our host, Robert Tucker for closing remarks.

Robert Tucker: Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everyone for joining today's call. If you have additional questions, please feel free to give us a call. Thank you very much.

Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.