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DATE

Thursday, July 30, 2026 at 8:00 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• Investor Relations - Charles Sebaski
• President and Chief Executive Officer - Rick McCathron
• Chief Financial Officer - Guy Zeltser

TAKEAWAYS

• Gross Written Premium -- $482 million, representing 61% growth driven by the expansion of existing program partners in casualty and commercial multi-peril lines and a return to growth in homeowners.
• Net Income -- $10 million, or $0.38 per diluted share, a $9 million improvement from the second quarter of the prior year.
• Adjusted Net Income -- $21 million, or $0.79 per diluted share, representing a 24% increase from the second quarter of the prior year.
• Net Combined Ratio -- 95.8%, an improvement of 4 percentage points reflecting a reduction in the net expense ratio and underwriting discipline.
• Casualty Gross Written Premium -- $180 million, representing the company's largest line on a gross basis with growth led by a long-tenured multidecade program partner.
• Commercial Multi-Peril Gross Written Premium -- $138 million, an increase of 65% from the prior year and now the second-largest line on a gross basis.
• Homeowners Gross Written Premium -- $107 million, up 7% reflecting admitted market growth through Progressive and Westwood partnerships which offset a pullback in nonadmitted segments.
• Net Expense Ratio -- 45.4%, a reduction of 8 percentage points from the prior year due to increased operating leverage and AI infrastructure implementation.
• Fixed Expense Ratio -- 29%, a decline of 39 percentage points since the beginning of 2024 as the company maintained largely flat fixed expenses during a period of growth.
• Core Accident Year Ex-CAT Loss Ratio -- 45.8%, an improvement from the prior year reflecting the impact of over 200 rate filings and aggregate rate increases exceeding 100%.
• Net Written Premium -- $183 million, a 71% increase year over year driven in part by a program-specific reinsurance change contributing $27 million.
• Total Revenue -- $145 million, representing 23% growth from the second quarter of the prior year.
• Retention Rate -- 38%, up from 36% in the prior year, though management expects full-year retention in the low 20s for commercial multi-peril and mid-teens for casualty.
• Stockholders' Equity -- $466 million, a 40% increase from $333 million in the second quarter of the prior year.
• Book Value Per Share -- $17.65, representing a 36% increase from $13.02 in the prior year quarter.
• 2026 Gross Written Premium Guidance -- Raised to a range of $1.65 billion to $1.7 billion from the previous range of $1.45 billion to $1.525 billion.
• 2026 Adjusted Net Income Guidance -- Increased to a range of $62 million to $70 million, up from the prior range of $48 million to $56 million.
• 2026 Net Combined Ratio Guidance -- Lowered to a range of 99% to 101% from the previous 103% to 105%, inclusive of a 10% catastrophe loss ratio.
• 2028 Gross Written Premium Target -- Increased to more than $2.5 billion, a 25% increase over the previous target and representing a 32% compounded annual growth rate.
• 2028 Adjusted Net Income Target -- Raised to more than $140 million, effectively doubling the 2026 guidance level.
• Program Count -- Exceeded 50 active programs, doubling the count from the first quarter of the prior year.

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RISKS

• McCathron stated, "the E&S market is softer right now, so we can toggle that back while we're growing the admitted market," acknowledging competitive pressure in the nonadmitted homeowners segment.
• Zeltser noted, "prior accident year reserve development was 2% in the second quarter compared to roughly 7% in Q2 of last year," indicating a smaller relative benefit to the combined ratio from favorable development.
• McCathron indicated, "we expect rate trend to moderate from here," although he stated rate increases would likely keep pace with loss trends.

SUMMARY

Management reported that **Hippo Holdings Inc.** (HIPO +6.87%) achieved its fifth consecutive quarter of profitability on both a stated and adjusted basis, driven by a significant shift in business mix and improved underwriting metrics. The company stated that casualty and commercial multi-peril lines have surpassed homeowners in gross premium volume, reflecting a strategic move toward a more diversified insurance portfolio. Management noted that significant changes to the reinsurance structure, including the introduction of a whole account quota share and group-level catastrophe coverage, have lowered probable maximum losses by more than 30%. Based on the current momentum in business partnerships and premium volume, the company accelerated its long-term financial targets, pulling forward its previous 2028 premium goals to 2027 and establishing higher benchmarks for 2028.

• The company launched two AI agents, Hannah for service and Clara for first notice of loss, to scale operations without a proportional increase in headcount.
• CEO McCathron stated that the company has "fast becoming the program carrier of choice in the MGA space," with most growth coming from existing partners expanding their relationship with Hippo.
• The company integrated Devon, an AI software engineer, across one-third of its technology organization to improve development efficiency.
• A partnership with Accelerant is expected to generate in excess of $500 million in premium for Hippo in 2027.
• Management noted that they are live with Progressive in eight states and intend to triple that footprint by the end of the year.
• CEO McCathron emphasized the utility of the company's tech-native platform, stating it has shortened the "bordereau integration from new programs by 90%" through automated data ingestion.
• The company moved catastrophe reinsurance to the corporate group level from a program-by-program basis, which McCathron stated "reduces our volatility, improves our economics and gives our partners more room to grow."

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• Bordereau: A detailed report provided by an insurance agent or MGA to an insurer or reinsurer listing the risks underwritten and premiums collected.
• CMP (Commercial Multi-Peril): A package policy that provides both liability and property coverage for businesses.
• E&S (Excess and Surplus): A segment of the insurance market that covers high-risk or non-standard exposures that admitted carriers will not insure.
• FNOL (First Notice of Loss): The initial report made to an insurance provider following a loss or damage to an insured asset.
• MGA (Managing General Agent): A specialized type of insurance agent or broker that has been granted underwriting authority by an insurer.
• PML (Probable Maximum Loss): The maximum loss an insurer expects to suffer from a single catastrophic event, used to determine reinsurance needs.
• Quota Share: A type of pro-rata reinsurance where the insurer and reinsurer share premiums and losses according to a fixed percentage.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Hippo Holdings, Inc. Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand the conference over to Charles Sebaski, Investor Relations. Charles, please go ahead.

Charles Sebaski: Good morning, and thank you for joining Hippo's Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Earlier today, Hippo issued an earnings release announcing its Q2 results and a financial results presentation, which will be webcast during today's call, both of which are available at investors.hippo.com. Leading today's discussion will be Hippo President and Chief Executive Officer, Rick McCathron; and Chief Financial Officer, Guy Zeltser. Following management's prepared remarks, we will open up the call to questions. Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that our discussion will contain predictions, expectations, forward-looking statements and other information about our business that are based on management's current expectations as of the date of this presentation.

Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, Hippo's expectations or predictions of financial and business performance and conditions and competitive and industry outlook. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from historical results and/or our forecast, including those set forth in Hippo's Form 10-Q and 10-K. For more information, please refer to the risks and uncertainties and other factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings, in particular, in the section entitled Risk Factors in our Form 10-Q and 10-K. All cautionary statements are applicable to any forward-looking statements we make whenever they appear.

You should carefully consider the risks and uncertainties and other factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings. Do not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements as Hippo is under no obligation and expressly disclaims any responsibility for updating, offering, or otherwise revising any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. During this conference call, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted net income. Our GAAP results and description of our non-GAAP financial measures with full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the second quarter 2026 earnings release, which has been furnished to the SEC and is available on our website.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Rick McCathron, our President and CEO.

Richard McCathron: Thank you, Chuck, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Hippo delivered another strong quarter, building on the momentum we started the year with. We grew top and bottom line together, making our fifth straight quarter of profitability on both a stated and adjusted basis. For the quarter, we generated $10 million of net income, a nearly eightfold increase over last year and $21 million of adjusted net income, a 24% increase over second quarter last year. Gross written premium came in at $482 million, up 61% over last year, led by the continued expansion of existing program partners in our casualty and CMP lines of business and a return to growth in our homeowners line.

However, what stands out most isn't the growth itself. It's that we grew profitably. Our combined ratio improved 4 percentage points year-over-year to 95.8% and we're at 97.5% year-to-date, a 31 percentage point improvement over the first half of 2025. That combination, growth and underwriting discipline moving in lockstep is the story of the quarter. Let's walk through it in more detail. In homeowners, we wrote $107 million of premium, up 7% over last year. Growth continues to come from our Progressive and Westwood partnerships with admitted growth more than offsetting the pullback in E&S as the market becomes more competitive.

Rate remains adequate with mid- to high single-digit renewal rates this quarter, though we expect rate trend to moderate from here, but to keep pace with loss trends. We want this business to grow, but only where we believe there's a high likelihood of profitability. Commercial multi-peril had another strong quarter, up 65% over last year to $138 million, now following casualty as our second largest line on a gross basis and second largest on a net written basis behind homeowners. Retention increased to 37%, impacted by a reinsurance structure change. However, we expect retention to return to more historic levels in the low 20s for the year.

Casualty was our fastest-growing line again this quarter with gross written premium up sharply to $180 million, now our largest line on a gross basis, though third on a net basis. That growth continues to be led by one of our longest tenured partners, a program with a multi-decade track record, which is exactly the kind of program we want to drive growth, one we know well. As we said last quarter, we're starting to lean into higher retention in casualty, and this quarter's uptick reflects both a new excess program and a reinsurance change with an existing partner. We expect retention to settle back into the mid-teens from here.

We achieved this growth in a competitive market because we believe we've built the program carrier of choice in the MGA space. We now have more than 50 programs, double what we had in the first quarter of last year, and most of that growth is coming from existing partners expanding with us, not just new logos. Our longest tenured partner has been with Hippo for over a decade. We keep investing in the platform, capacity and technology to support that partner program growth such as fully automated monthly data ingestion process, shortening the bordereau integration from new programs by 90% and reflecting back real-time insights to programs. We have continuously been focused on improving our underwriting.

And over the last several years, that has included over 200 rate filings and over a 100% aggregate rate increase to HHIP. To support our program underwriting, we now have 2 program managers overseeing every program and 3 on our fastest-growing casualty programs. All of this work shows up in our underwriting results. Core accident year ex-CAT loss ratio came in at 45.8%, an improvement over last year and among our strongest quarter results in recent years and nearly 17 points improvement from Q2 2024. This quarter, we evolved our reinsurance structure in ways we think are significant, both for our partners and for Hippo's own risk appetite, something we've been signaling to investors for some time.

We renewed our CAT bond on attractive terms and added wildfire as a named peril. More importantly, we moved to buying catastrophic reinsurance at the corporate group level rather than program by program, which lowered our PMLs by more than 30% across the return periods that matter most to earnings volatility. We also introduced our first whole account quota share across the portfolio, giving us more optionality as we build a track record managing risks at the enterprise level. Put simply, this reduces our volatility, improves our economics and gives our partners more room to grow, and those goals reinforce each other. Scale and expense discipline are doing what we said it would.

Our net expense ratio came in at 45.4%, down nearly 26 points from where we started 2024. As operating leverage continues to build during that same period, our fixed expense ratio dropped by 39 points to 29%. AI continues to move from experiment to infrastructure across our business. Hannah, our AI service agent, and Clara, our AI first notice of loss agent, are both live this quarter. And together, they're a big part of why we can grow the top line without growing overhead at the same pace. We've also rolled out Devon, Cognition's AI software engineer, across our tech organization, nearly 1/3 of our roughly 500 employees.

Tech is core to Hippo's value proposition, and this is about making our best people even better at building it. Our tech native roots also show up in how fast we move. Our full integration with Westwood and our accelerated launch with Progressive are both proof points, and we believe both have plenty of runway left. We'll keep investing here because we believe a unique and targeted distribution model is an opportunity to further differentiate our business. Given everything this quarter, I want to remind everybody what we told investors at last June's Investor Day that by 2028, we'd reach at least $2 billion of gross written premium.

A 22% CAGR through organic growth, new programs, scaling our builder channel and relaunching homeowners outside of builders. So how are we doing against that? Over the last year, we've simultaneously added 14 new programs, completed our Westwood integration, now quoting more than 50 builders and launched our Progressive partnership, accelerating homeowners growth outside the builder channel. Additionally, this quarter, we significantly advanced our business partnerships, which now brings our expected 2027 premium above $2 billion, hitting our prior 2028 goal a year early. That's real progress against all 4 drivers we laid out. Given that momentum, we're raising the bar.

Gross written premium to more than $2.5 billion, a 25% increase over our prior target, representing a 32% compounded annual growth rate and adjusted net income of more than $140 million in 2028, doubling our current year 2026 guidance. I'm proud of this quarter and even more excited about where Hippo is heading. We're executing with discipline against our long-term goals and the progress we're seeing gives me real confidence in what's ahead. Now I'll turn it over to our CFO, Guy Zeltser, to walk through the numbers in detail, and then we'll take your questions. Guy?

Guy Zeltser: Thanks, Rick, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, we once again delivered strong top line premium growth, improved underwriting and increased profitability. Q2 gross written premium grew 61% year-over-year to $482 million, up from $299 million in Q2 of last year. Growth in the second quarter was achieved across all our lines of business with especially strong performance in casualty and commercial multi-peril lines and more modest expansion in renters and homeowners. I will now highlight a few additional details of how diversified our gross written premium has become. Homeowners grew slightly to $107 million and accounted for 22% of the total gross written premium, down from 33% in Q2 of last year.

Commercial multi-peril generated $138 million, accounted for 29% of total gross written premium, up from 28% last year. Casualty generated $180 million, representing 37% of total gross written premium, up from 22% last year. Net written premium in Q2 grew 71% year-over-year to $183 million, slightly ahead of the expansion of gross written premium, driven by a program-specific reinsurance change, accounted for $27 million of net written premium this quarter. Consequently, our retention rate in the quarter was 38% compared to 36% last year and is slightly ahead of our full year guide. In general, we view retention levels on a full year basis as timing of program renewal can lead to quarterly variances in that metric.

From a mix perspective, homeowners generated $76 million of net written premium in the quarter, representing 42% of total net written premium, down from 59% last year. Commercial multi-peril generated $51 million and accounted for 28% of total net written premium, up from 24% last year. The aforementioned program reinsurance change this quarter drove $21 million of net written premium in this line. For the full year, we would expect retention levels to be in the low 20s. Casualty generated $35 million compared to roughly $2 million in Q2 of last year. As we previously indicated, the increase in casualty retention was intentional and driven mostly by the long-tenured program Rick mentioned earlier.

However, the 20% retention rate this quarter was also bolstered by the aforementioned program reinsurance change. So for the full year, we expect the casualty retention level to be in the mid-teens. Revenue in the second quarter was $145 million, up 23% over Q2 of last year. We expect revenue year-over-year growth to accelerate in the second half of the year as the net written premium growth in the quarter is going to earn in. In Q2, our net combined ratio improved 4 percentage points to 95.8% compared to Q2 of last year.

This was achieved by improvements in expense ratio and accident year loss ratio, slightly offset by a lower prior accident year reserve benefit in Q2 versus Q2 of last year. Our Q2 net loss ratio increased 3 percentage points year-over-year to 50.4%. Accident year ex-CAT loss ratio improved to 45.8% from 46.4% last year, reflecting our continued focus on underwriting profitability. Generally, we view accident year ex-CAT loss ratios in the mid-40s as excellent results. CAT loss ratio improved 1 percentage point to 6.7% as Q2 this year and last year both experienced relatively light CAT losses. Prior accident year reserve development was 2% in the second quarter compared to roughly 7% in Q2 of last year.

In Q2, net expense ratio improved 8 percentage points year-over-year to 45.4%. As Rick mentioned previously, we believe that our continued focus on operating leverage through AI enables us to grow our business while keeping fixed expense largely flat, which in turn has helped driving the expense ratio improvement. Q2 net income came in at $10 million or $0.38 per diluted share, a $9 million improvement year-over-year. The year-over-year improvement was primarily due to the continued improvement of underwriting results and strong premium growth. Q2 adjusted net income grew 24% year-over-year to $21 million or $0.79 per diluted share.

Total Hippo stockholders' equity at the end of the quarter was up 4% to $466 million from $449 million at last quarter and up 40% from the $333 million at Q2 of last year. Total book value per share at the end of the quarter was up 2% to $17.65 per share from $17.23 per share at last quarter and up 36% from $13.02 per share at Q2 of last year. Following this quarter's results, we are raising our full year guidance. We're increasing gross written premium from a range of $1.45 billion and $1.525 billion to a range of $1.65 billion and $1.7 billion.

We are increasing net written premium from a range of $520 million and $550 million to a range of $565 million and $580 million. We're increasing revenue from a range of $560 million and $570 million to a range of $580 million and $585 million. We are lowering our net combined ratio from a range of 103% and 105%, inclusive of a 13% CAT loss ratio to a range of 99% and 101%, inclusive of a 10% CAT loss ratio.

And finally, we're increasing adjusted net income from a range of $48 million and $56 million to a range of $62 million and $70 million, while maintaining the expected impact from stock-based compensation and depreciation and amortization to roughly $42 million. And with that, operator, I would now like to open the floor to questions.

Operator: Your first question comes from the line of Randy Binner with Texas Capital.

Randy Binner: Hopefully, you're hearing me okay. I had a tough connection there. But I have a question about just the business mix going forward. It was a good result this quarter, but the casualty lines, in particular, were a lot of the premiums. And so is this a function -- you went through retention and growth opportunities in program. But should we think of Hippo as being more like 1/3 or less homeowners longer term? Just I think a lot of people have thought of it as more of a home insurer. Obviously, you've had a lot of success with the programs.

But just trying to understand looking out in the future, what the business mix is of this kind of multiline carrier.

Richard McCathron: Randy, this is Rick, and we can hear you loud and clear. So I appreciate the question. I think the way everybody should really consider and think about Hippo is it's our objective to build a very diversified portfolio that allows us to optimize mix based on a market cycle and market segment. So for us, as an example, we talked about the E&S market is softer right now, so we can toggle that back while we're growing the admitted market. Homeowners business is looking favorable. So we're growing that with our Westwood and Progressive partnerships on the admitted basis line.

But for us to get to a fully diversified portfolio where we have a blended and balanced book, we want to make sure that our commercial multi-peril, our casualty lines gets up to a point where it does create optimal balance for our homeowners line. So we still emphasize the quality of Hippo's home insurance program. We continue to grow that program. We will continue to grow that program. But we want to make sure the portfolio stays in balance over time. So the more we grow homeowners, the more we're going to want to grow casualty to create that balance that I mentioned before.

So from an optimal mix perspective, it's very important for us to make sure that we are driving against favorable trends and favorable product lines and favorable market cycles and again, toggling back when the market cycle might be distressed.

Randolph Binner: Okay. Understood. And then just a couple of quick follow-ups. When you -- the E&S referenced the market being softer, that is in homeowners, you're seeing softer E&S?

Richard McCathron: Yes, correct.

Randy Binner: Okay. And that makes sense. And then I guess just for the casualty lines growth, I think a common reaction is that, that's kind of growing in a softer area of the market, but of course, you have a lot of control to your programs. So just maybe like just a little more granularity on kind of like the partnerships, the market opportunity and writing those programs and kind of seeing outsized casualty growth and which broadly is seen as a softer casualty market?

Richard McCathron: Yes, Randy, happy to talk about that. I think one thing that is really important to recognize is most of our casualty growth is concentrated in existing known long-tenured programs to us. This is not us going out and chasing new opportunities, chasing rate, chasing growth. If you look at like CMP as an example, we tie that back to we are fast becoming the program carrier of choice. We have 50 programs in that space. We know these programs well. These programs are growing with us. We reviewed in the last 12 to 18 months, approximately 200 programs and selected a relatively small percentage of those as somebody that we want to partner with on a go-forward basis.

So from our perspective, it comes through a combination of organic growth with existing long-tenured partners and lack of a better term, cherrypicking new programs that we believe are very well operated and ones that again help us get to that diversified balance that I was talking about.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt with KBW.

Thomas Mcjoynt-Griffith: To start off, can you talk a little more about the partnership with Accelerant that you announced in June? I guess the important question that we want to ask is thinking about premiums that are coming through that channel with Accelerant and the economics or the bottom line impact of those premiums, how do they compare with non-Accelerant revenues that are coming through? Just want to understand the difference as we think about modeling those premiums.

Richard McCathron: Yes, Tommy, this is Rick. Happy to start, and then Guy can jump in with any other detailed questions. I think first and foremost, the way we view the Accelerant program is a way for us to grow the premium with a partner that has access to a large number of MGA programs. I think we've published that we believe and expect us to be in excess of $500 million next year. But I also think there's more opportunity in that particular space. But we do generally look at each program in great detail before we agree to be the carrier to support Accelerant with that particular program.

So again, I'd really like to emphasize today, our growth comes with thoughtful quality, not just growth at all costs. Accelerant gives us an opportunity to look at those programs and then take those programs on and then continue to grow it. We, of course, have our own sourcing of business in the program space outside of Accelerant. And in those, we generally look for things, as I mentioned before, with Randy's question, operators that are very -- have a long track record, high quality, ones that have been in business for quite some time or at least have the expertise in the particular product line space.

And then we also go out and hire internally to Hippo experts in both underwriting and claims handling in that particular segment. So we are an additional backstop or an additional vet on the quality of business that comes in, both on a per risk basis, on a claims handling basis and in the aggregate. So this is the way we look at Accelerant for the most part. I think Accelerant continues to grow. Therefore, they need lots of capacity. We're proud to be one of their capacity providers, and it allows us to get views of programs that maybe we normally would not have been able to take a look at.

Guy Zeltser: Tommy, this is Guy. Just wanted to also comment on the economics. This is a fairly standard transaction. So when you model the business going forward, in the commission income side specifically, it's very standard to other deals that we're doing. So it should be viewed as a scale-up in line with the growth -- with ceded earned premium.

Thomas Mcjoynt-Griffith: Okay. Got it. That all makes sense. And then switching over a question on the property books across homeowners and the commercial side as well. We hear from a lot of competitors that competition in the space is intensifying. You are seeing some rate deceleration there. And some of that, frankly, reflects the lower cost of reinsurance and you guys reported that as well. So can you just talk about the competitive environment and where you see sort of margins heading in the various property books of business that you have?

Richard McCathron: Yes. I think this is one of the -- Tommy, I think this is one of the real benefits of our platform because we do write across multiple product lines and multiple perils barrels, we're not in the business of chasing risk and chasing growth in a softening market. I agree with your sentiment that the homeowners market is absolutely softening right now, which is one of the reasons why you're seeing an uptick on the commercial and casualty sides of our business.

But we do believe we have so much room to grow in the property space, both in our own homeowners program and some of the MGAs that we support that we think that our growth won't slow into the soft market, again, because we are relatively small compared to the industry in that particular space. However, what we will commit to is that if we find ourselves in a position where we do not believe that growth in any particular product line will be accretive to our bottom line and to our combined ratio, we won't grow in that space.

And so that's, again, the force of what we've built here is those levers for us to pull across cycle, across product line and across programs and both owned and non-owned business.

Guy Zeltser: Tommy, this is Guy again. I just wanted to also add 2 points on top of what Rick just mentioned. So on the homeowner side, one of the reasons why we love the partnership with Progressive is that it gives us access to a lot of lead generation, a lot of flow. We're right now live with Progressive at 8 states, but we do plan to triple the state footprint by the end of this year, and that is giving us even more volume. And the influx of volume allows us to still be very, very disciplined and only binding businesses we feel very good about from a profitability perspective.

And the second thing, you also asked about property within the CMP line. We also see the same trend. So even though the CMP is growing, we do see with commercial property specifically some softening, which is why we're pulling back, which is why the growth you're seeing is actually coming from other lines. So it's the same thing that Rick has mentioned, where we are seeing softness, we have no problem of pulling back. And the most important thing, again, is to be disciplined across each and every line.

Richard McCathron: Yes, Tommy, one thing I'll add to what Guy had just mentioned is the growth that we are experiencing in Progressive, we only expose a rate to Progressive customers for particular business that we want to write, both from a geographical basis, but also from an inherent underlying per policy basis. So we do not expose a price or a Hippo quote on any customer of Progressives that doesn't fit into our desired footprint and our desired underwriting box.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Andersen with Jefferies.

Sidney Schultz: This is Sid on for Andrew. Curious if you could expand on why right now was the -- why now is the right time to add the whole account quota share and what economics made the transaction attractive? And then I know you touched on casualty and CMP, but should we expect any change in the retention in homeowners moving forward?

Richard McCathron: This is Rick. Thanks for the question. I'll go ahead and start with this one. The whole account quota share is more of a capability. The amount of our risk ceded in our whole account quota share is very, very small. But what it does is it creates a capability that as we continue to grow over time, again, another lever for us to pull to put more risk to third-party reinsurers if we feel like it's the best way to stick within our risk tolerance framework. And so for us, it's more of a capability.

I don't think it meaningfully impacts the economics of the business, certainly not at the size of business that we're placing through it, but it's a capability that we thought it was important for us to have as we experience continued growth throughout. Sid, remind me what was your second question?

Sidney Schultz: Yes. Just curious if -- I know you guys had touched on casualty and CMP retention, but if we should expect any changes in the homeowners retention moving forward?

Richard McCathron: Yes, that's right. Thank you, Sid. First of all, for the Hippo home insurance program from an attritional loss perspective and even at the lower levels of CAT, we, for all intents and purposes, maintain near 100% of that risk. So there's really nowhere to go up with that because we're already taking most of it. For our program partners in the property space, we do participate in a sizable amount of risk. It ranges between 20% with some partner programs and up to 40% with others. We think our risk acceptance and our retention for property is right where we want it to be. So we would not expect it to increase in the foreseeable future.

Guy Zeltser: Sid, this is Guy here. The only thing I would add is from -- if you just look at the homeowners line, you can tell that we -- you can see that we have provided the mix between the admitted and non-admitted, and as Rick mentioned, because we are retaining more on the admitted side, and that's the piece that is growing faster, you should expect a bit of an uptick in the overall retention of that line. But not -- I would say, not significantly above what you're seeing right now. But for every intents and purpose, I think you can triangulate the almost 100% retention on the attritional side on the admitted side of the business.

And then the rest will just be a plug number.

Sidney Schultz: Okay. And then just as a follow-up, I'm curious to hear if you're seeing any competitive changes on fronting fees or economics as more capital enters the MGA and fronting markets or maybe you're seeing the opposite occur?

Richard McCathron: Yes, it's a really good question. I think for the most part, we are not seeing changes in that because despite what I think a lot of people believe, the fronting business is not a commodity business. And I think you're seeing that by the amount of deals that we are winning. We are not winning based on decreasing fronting fees or economics back to the MGA. We are winning on more capabilities we can provide to the MGA, both in the form of services, in the form of data, data insights, the ability to share some of the technologies that we've been building from an AI perspective.

So when programs are coming to a fronting carrier, they generally fall into 1 of 2 buckets. The bucket where the program will take any carrier at the lowest price or the lowest cede commission, we don't play in that game. The other bucket is those that say we want a long-term partner that has enough capital to support our growth, can retain risk, can provide other valuable services and capabilities far beyond just access to the balance sheet and to the rating. I'll also reinforce we had a size increase last quarter. So now we're able at our AM Best A- IX, we're able to really participate in even more opportunities than we were previously.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities.

Timothy D'Agostino: Just one question on my end. On the 2028 growth targets on Slide 14, seem to emphasize potential new lines. I was just kind of just wondering, for Hippo entering new lines, is that really a 2028 idea? Or could we see that in 2027? And then could you just kind of remind us of the game plan when entering those new lines?

Richard McCathron: Yes, Tim, this is Rick. I'm assuming your question is around Hippo entering new lines on a manufactured basis of products we manufacture as opposed to products that we front for. So I'll answer both questions. First of all, for products that we manufacture, I would expect us to enter into either new lines or new flavors of lines before the 2028 target. By flavors, I mean, new things that we might be doing within the personal homeowners or property space and other things that might be tangential to that particular space. So we're not ready at this point to share what those are.

But I think in future quarters prior to 2028, we'll be able to share a lot more in detail. But we do want to grow the owned premium side and the owned product side. On the fronting business, we will enter new lines if we believe those lines are diversifying to the business that we already have. Just as a reminder, Hippo has lots of different carriers within its Spinnaker Insurance Group both admitted and non-admitted. We have lots of certificates of authority, not just property and casualty, but also with accident health.

There are opportunities that come to us every day, and we go through a fairly detailed analysis of every opportunity to determine, is this accretive to that diversification goal? And will that individual program positively impact the bottom line of the business. So although I can't give you specifics of what those might be at this point, I can tell you that we are looking at other opportunities that meet those strategic goals of ours.

Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

Richard McCathron: Well, I appreciate all of you joining us this morning. We're excited about the quarter that we've had and even more so about the future. So we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you, everyone.

Operator: This concludes our call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.