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The RMR Group Inc.  (NASDAQ:RMR)
Q1 2019 Earnings Conference Call
Feb. 07, 2019, 1:00 p.m. ET

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Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day and welcome to the RMR Group First Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions). Please note, today's event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Tim Bonang, Senior Vice President. Please go ahead, sir.

Timothy A. Bonang -- Senior Vice President

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today. With me on the call are President and CEO, Adam Portnoy; and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Jordan. In just a moment, they will provide details about our business and our performance for the first quarter of fiscal 2019. They will then take questions.

I would like to note that the recording and retransmission of today's conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of the company. Also note that today's conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on RMR's beliefs and expectations as of today, February 7, 2019 and actual results may differ materially from those we project.

The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the forward-looking statements made in today's conference call. Additional information concerning factors that could cause any differences contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC, which can be accessed from our website, rmrgroup.com, or the SEC's website. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward-looking statements.

In addition, we may be discussing non-GAAP numbers during this call, including adjusted net income, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin. A reconciliation of net income determined in accordance with US Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP to adjusted net income, adjusted EBITDA and a calculation of adjusted EBITDA margin can be found in the news release we issued this morning.

And now I would like to turn the call over to Adam Portnoy to begin our quarterly review. Adam?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Tim and thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon. Before I begin, I just want to apologize in advance, I am getting over a cold and I may sound a bit congested and cough a couple of times.

For the quarter ended -- for the first quarter of fiscal 2019, which ended on December 31. We reported net income attributable to RMR of $52.2 million or $3.22 per share. Our earnings this quarter include $120.1 million or $2.82 per share and incentive business management fees from HPT, SIR and SNH. Each of these managed equity REITs outperformed their respective industry benchmarks over the last three years by at least 10%.

At this point in the call, I usually talk about our client companies results in some detail. However, because RMR has a September 30th year end, and most of our client companies have December 31st year ends, we are reporting RMR's quarterly results in advance of our client companies. That said, I can talk about some overarching themes across our client companies, as well as leasing results and activities that have been publicly announced.

On a combined basis, RMR ranged over 2.5 million square feet of leases during the quarter, on behalf of our client companies. These leases resulted in average rental rates that were approximately 2% higher than prior rents for the same space, and the average terms of these leases were over 12 years. We also supervised approximately $40 million in capital improvements at our client companies during the quarter.

One of the most significant events at our client companies this quarter, was the merger of Government Properties Income Trust and Select Income REIT to form Office Properties Income Trust or OPI. This merger received significant shareholder support and we look forward to advancing OPI's investment strategy of owning buildings primarily leased to single tenants and tenants with high credit quality characteristics, such as government entities. During the quarter, we also helped facilitate the amendment of OPI's $750 million unsecured credit facility, which extended the term through January 2023 and resulted in a 15 basis points reduction in the facility's annual interest rate.

Last week, ILPT executed a 10-year mortgage on its Hawaiian assets for $650 million, with a loan-to-value ratio of less than 50%. We think this transaction highlights to the market, the significant and underappreciated value of ILPT's industrial assets in Hawaii. We further believe that the ILPT story is one that investors continue to underestimate.

In January, TA agreed to purchase 20 travel centers from HPT for $308 million, resulting in a reduction in annual rent to TA of $43 million. HPT also extended the term of their leases with TA by three years and TA will repay $150 million of deferred rent, at a discount, over 16 quarterly installments, beginning in April 2019. This transaction is beneficial to both companies and provides increased stability to the overall relationship.

In terms of RMR's newer platforms and growth initiatives, this quarter, we had some significant updates. At Tremont, management has continued to build on recent momentum. This quarter, Tremont issued approximately $66 million in new loans, with another $47.5 million in new loans closing after quarter end. At this time, Tremont has fully deployed its IPO proceeds, and will pay its first dividend later this month.

In order to maintain Tremont's business momentum, this week RMR entered a $25 million credit facility with Tremont, at a fixed rate of 6.5% per annum. This facility is intended to be a bridge, until we can arrange additional third party capital for the company, at which time a portion of any monies raised will be used to repay RMR. This facility ultimately provides Tremont with almost $100 million of investing capacity on a leveraged basis, and will provide Tremont greater flexibility to execute their business strategy and keep its origination network engaged.

As it relates to the RMR Office Property Fund, on January 31st, the Fund announced its first acquisition, a $56 million multi-tenant Class A office building in Richmond, Virginia, and a 7.2% cap rate. Depending on the pace of future acquisition opportunities, we would expect RMR's $100 million commitment to this fund to be called in the latter half of calendar 2019. This quarter, we also officially launched our marketing efforts for the Fund, in conjunction with our third party sales team and initial feedback across all potential sales channels has been positive. As is highlighted in previous calls, the fundraising process will be lengthy and we don't expect to have any news around capital raising until later this year at the earliest.

Beyond these updates, we remain focused on seeking out strategic opportunities to diversify our platform. We ended the quarter with almost $285 million in cash, and no debt. In January, we collected the incentive business management fees, providing us additional capacity to pursue possible growth opportunities.

While I cannot speak to specific opportunities, consistent with what I communicated in the past, we continue to assess acquisition opportunities to possibly further diversify our revenue sources.

I'll now turn the call over to Matt Jordan, our CFO, who will review our financial results for the quarter.

Matthew Jordan -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thanks Adam. As Adam highlighted earlier, net income attributable to RMR was $52.2 million or $3.22 per share this quarter. After excluding incentive fees, separation costs, and unrealized losses on equity method investments, adjusted net income attributable to RMR was $10 million or $0.62 per share.

Management services revenues excluding incentive fees were $47.5 million this quarter, which represents a $1.1 million decrease on a year-over-year basis and a $1.6 million decrease sequentially. These decreases were primarily the result of lower business management fees due to declines in the average market capitalization of certain of our managed equity REITs.

With the decline in REIT share prices in the latter portion of 2018, all our managed equity REITS, except for ILPT, are currently paying their monthly base business management fees on a market capitalization basis. The impact of being on this lower measure for calculating our monthly base business management fees, results in our revenue for the quarter being approximately $5 million lower, than it otherwise would have been, had the managed equity REITs been paying on invested capital basis.

Based on the current share prices of our managed equity REITs, along with OPI's strategic dispositions, and the fact that there are two fewer days on a sequential quarter basis, we expect total management and advisory services revenues to be approximately $45 million next quarter.

It's also worth noting this quarter, we adopted ASC 606, the new revenue accounting standard. As a result, we are required to present any client company operating in capital costs we helped source on a gross basis, with an equal and offsetting amount in operating expenses. This is a consistent application of ASC 606 with other large publicly traded property managers, and one we will apply prospectively. This quarter, the resulting gross-up of our income statement was $98.1 million, which again has no impact to net income or cash flows.

Turning to expenses for the quarter; total compensation and benefits expense was $36.2 million, which includes cash compensation of $28 million, $1.8 million in equity-based compensation, and $6.4 million in separation costs related to former executives. Cash compensation of $28 million is an increase of $1.8 million on a year-over-year basis, and $2.1 million on a sequential quarter basis. These increases are primarily attributable to headcount additions to support growth, as well as standard merit increases.

Looking ahead to next quarter, we would expect normalized cash compensation to be approximately $29 million, after considering payroll tax and 401(k) expenses that both reset on January 1st each year.

Lastly, in October 2018, we exercised our right of first refusal under the provisions of the retirement agreement in place with the former President and CEO of TA, and purchased approximately 1.5 million TA shares he held for $8.4 million. These TA shares will be mark-to-market each quarter and in this period, we recorded an unrealized loss of $2.8 million. In the future quarters, we will continue to recognize gains and losses based on the changes in the price of TA's common shares.

That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, would you please open the line to questions?

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Today's first question comes from Owen Lau at Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Owen Lau -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Thank you for taking my questions. I have a few related questions for the Office Property Fund. Would you use any debt for that $56 million acquisition or is it all cash? Also is $56 million to the average size that you are looking for going forward? And finally, how should we think about the earnings impact for 2019 after this transaction? Thank you.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I'll take the first two parts, and then I'll let Matt pick up the second part. In terms of debt, the fund itself has a working line of credit, and we drew on the working line of credit to actually fund the acquisition itself. As we think longer term, for that whole vehicle, we imagine it to be about 40%, 45% levered. And so -- not all the assets will have property level debt, but a good amount of them will. We haven't made a determination whether that specific asset itself will have long-term debt on it.

In terms of the average size, I think that's a pretty good sized investment in terms of -- pretty good average size. I mean, we've been saying less than $100 million would be -- what we'd be looking to invest in. I say -- I think around $50 million, $60 million is a pretty good average size investment for us. Now, I say that, and we will probably be some small and we will do some stuff of bigger, but it's a pretty good average size investment. Matt?

Matthew Jordan -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yeah. And Owen, I think we're consistent with where we've been guiding $2 million to $2.5 million of incremental revenue, with about $0.05 of incremental earnings of the Richmond acquisition was something we had baked into our forecast in that guidance.

Owen Lau -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Okay, that's perfect. One follow-up for me, looking at the balance sheet, cash and deal combined was about $475 million. So, good question -- a good problem to have. How should we think about cash management strategy in the shorter term, would you be investing more cash into securities to generate more income, would you be putting more money into the Office Property Fund if it goes well? Any color would be very helpful. Thank you.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. It's a great question. You're right. We ended the quarter with about $285 million of cash and we've got about $120 million of incentive fees. So that's about $400 million, and it's a great question about what we're going to do with that capital. Of the $400 million, we do have $100 million committed to the fund, which will probably be spent sometime in the second half of calendar 2019. We also announced today that we've made a $25 million loan or will be making $25 million loan to Tremont to help that business. So, that's about $125 million of the capital, that still leaves a good chunk of capital, as you can quickly do the math. I think our preference is to continue to try to deploy our capital in ways that will increase the revenues for the business, specifically revenues in and around new opportunities. So if we were to start a new business line, we would look to maybe help start that business line by investing in that business line with some of our excess cash.

I think we also are and we have been for several quarters, acquisitive, in the sense that we are very opportunistic and looking every quarter, which we think is our job to do, and opportunities to make an acquisition. We haven't pulled the trigger on anything of significance since we've been a public company, but that's obviously something we could use the capital for, if we found the right opportunity.

I don't think we -- what I don't think we'll spend the money on is likely investing in, let's say, some of our well-established businesses. We've been asked that many times, would we invest in well-established client companies, and I don't see that as highly likely. But if we get to the end of -- let's say, get to the second half of 2019, or get closer to the end of the year, and we continue to build up cash, we're not as able to put it to work in growth initiatives, and again growth initiatives around new business lines that will expand the platform and diversify our revenues, if we're unable to do that, then I think the Board would come back and we would consider whether or not, there should be some return of that capital to shareholders. And the way I think we have a bias, is toward a dividend, meaning we might think about increasing our regular dividend in some manner, if that was -- if that's where we were, at the second half of the year or near the end of the year.

Owen Lau -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Operator

And our next question today comes Mitch Germain of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Adam, the Tremont loan, is that going right to them today or now, or is that as drawn over time?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, they -- it's to be drawn. They have six months to draw on it. So, it will be as they need it. So we didn't want them to -- Tremont did want to have to have the negative carry of holding -- sitting on the cash. But there is a six month window they have, to draw the money.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Got you. Okay. And then with regards to the Office Fund, just trying to figure out cadence. I mean, I know you guys have that $100 million commitment. You said that's probably a back half of the year funding. Is that a reflection of the fund -- initial fundraising or deal pipeline? Was that in line with kind of what you expected? How's the -- how are deals materializing there?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So, I think it's in line with regard -- it has nothing to do really with fund raising expectations. I mean, just so you know we are -- for planning purposes, we haven't -- assuming we raise nothing this year, in terms of third-party capital. We hope we raise some, but I'm just letting you know for planning purposes, we are planning that -- we are not very successful in the first year, meaning it takes time to get the money -- the sales lead takes time and that we get -- it takes us over a year to really start raising money there. And I just think that's the nature of the fact that with the first time we have a private fund, its the first time we are talking to a whole group of investors that we have historically not talked too. So, it's introducing us as a platform to a whole new universe of investors and that takes time.

But the reason I don't think our timing has changed since the last quarter. Last quarter we also thought it was going to be in the second half of 2019, and that's just a reflection of putting the money to work in terms of deal opportunities, and we have a very robust pipeline of many deals that we're looking at for the fund, and I'm confident we will get the money out in the second half of 2019.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

And looking at your business, excuse me, right now, you obviously have the Office Fund, which is more of a multi-tenant type of a property, you've got OPI, you've got lodging, you've got healthcare, you've got industrial. Could you be looking at the private fund business for other alternative sectors that you're not involved with in the public markets?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, we could. The obvious one that we get asked about is residential and multifamily, it's the biggest -- it's a giant sector in the marketplace that we do not play in. That's a sector that we could someday enter, even in a public format or a private format. I'm not sure which one -- if we were to do it, which way we would lean. I think a lot of the effort on the private side right now is, we're trying to not get too distracted or -- trying to pitch too many things at once. Remember again, its our first time out there talking to these investors. We're trying to be very focused on what we have, which is this multi-tenant office fund, Core Plus Fund. We want to gain traction there. If we are successful with that, I think you're right, there are opportunities that present themselves to then raise additional private capital around other strategies. But we got to walk before we run. We got to raise the capital first for this strategy, do it successfully, and then I think that opens up opportunities for us to think about doing it in other sectors, which -- and the obvious one -- is obviously multi-family.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Got you. And my last question, Matt, I think you provided some guidance of $45 million for revenues. Just want make sure I kind of understand that. So you've got the OPI potential sales in that number. You've got HPT-TA transaction, and then does that reflect kind of where stock prices are currently? Is that your anticipated -- where you think stock prices kind of will average for the quarter, what are the underlying assumptions that create that number?

Matthew Jordan -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

That is looking at share price activity through the month of January, and assuming that stays static. Obviously, we'd like to see that not be the case and see those share prices had improved, but have nothing were to change and the OPI dispositions were to move forward, or execute, the $45 million would be your number.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from Bryan Maher of B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

Yes, good afternoon guys. So we've had a pretty volatile market for the last three or four months. And when you're out there sourcing acquisitions, whether it's from the new funds, or as it relates to any of the funds that you manage, are you seeing any movement or the skittishness on the part of owners that could free up assets, and what are you seeing, if anything, as it relates to cap rates for those assets?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

You know -- we are in a period right now, being early February, that we have not seen a lot of transactions come to market, meaning the pricing or the call free (ph) offers are all starting to come due. The brokerage community has really got into a cycle where they try -- live deals try to get closed by the fourth quarter, before year end, and then no one like to have calls for offers in January, for whatever reason. So, we haven't -- I have not seen or we have not seen a lot of transactions calls for offers yet.

I will tell you though, there's a lot that's coming up in the next few weeks, and I think we're going to know a lot more in that -- within a month or so, if there's been any movement in the market. I guess that's -- we just haven't seen a lot transact -- there is a pipeline, it's just that nobody set call for offer dates -- or not many set call for offer dates in January. They sent out their books, the first, second week of January and are calling for offers in February. And so that's sort of where we're at and I'm sorry, I'm not giving you a great answer, because I don't think there's been a lot of datapoints. Of course the point too (ph), since the beginning of the year to really say what's going on. I will tell you, I mean the one area we have some insight --

is we have been seeing a little bit, is on the loan side, because we did close on the Termont side, some loans.

And I would say that spreads at the very least have bottomed and maybe even have started to move up. And so if that's happening on the debt side, That's going to have an impact on cap rates, eventually. But again, of course, it depends what the benchmarks is doing as well. But we are seeing that, that I have -- we have seen in the last -- since the beginning of the year. There maybe a little bit of widening out on the spreads. But that's sort of an indirect way to get to cap rates.

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

All right, that's helpful. And then when you look across your various platforms, which do you think would be -- will be the most active or aggressive as we move through 2019?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I think the company that will probably be the most acquisitive is ILPT, and then followed by the fund. ILPT has a tremendous amount of capacity right now. We talked about it on our call -- on this call. But we just put $650 million of debt on an asset that we bought, have invested $500 million on. So, we bought it and invested $500 million -- total dollars in, $500 million. We just took $650 million out, that's for less than 50% loan-to-value. So you can do the math, what the value of those properties are compared to what we bought them for. And that then frees up that company ILPT. The ILPT has its revolvers completely undrawn and sitting on cash, and so, it's in a position where it can really go out and be acquisitive right now, and I think we're in a good fortune that that's a space, the industrial market, that is seeing a lot of calls for offers coming up and a lot of product coming to market.

And that's a continuation of what we saw in 2018, it's just continuing into 2019, and so I do think ILPT will be very -- will be probably most acquisitive in 2019. Then followed by the Fund, we have a few hundred million dollars and can put to work there. I think we'll do that. And then probably right behind that would be, Tremont, with the loan -- we are making for more and more into Tremont, they've got $100 million of lending capacity that they can put to work in the next six months. So I think they will also be fairly active. So I think those three vehicles will probably be our most active on the growth side, certainly in the first half of this year.

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

And just as a follow-up to your comment on ILPT, you made a comment that you see a lot of product coming to market; is that newbuild stuff or is that secondary transactions and what are you seeing at some of those really low cap rate markets like New York, New Jersey, San Francisco, LA, is anything giving there or are you just planning on kind of staying away from those very low cap rate areas?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, there's both new and secondary product coming to market. In terms of cap rates, again, not much is transaction -- transacted yet. But our expectation is, that cap rates have not moved much, certainly in those top five markets in the country that you referenced, and so I don't expect that we will be very acquisitive and those sort of top five markets, are not very much so in those top five markets, just because -- you're right, cap rates have really dipped below 5%. And just -- to do the math very quick, ILPT for 10-year debt on it, less than 50% of loan to value at 4.3% fixed rate for 10 years. So we got a whole bunch -- you could say we have at least $650 million at capacity, anything over 4.3% should be accretive. And therefore -- in some of the markets you mentioned, unfortunately deals are being done at 4.3%. So we probably can't buy much, if anything there, but I think if you get outside the top three, four, five markets in the country, there are opportunities to buy a new product, there is opportunities to buy a functionally modern product, with good credit tenants, long-term lease and 5% in higher cap rates. And so, I think we'll be able to put the money to work very accretively in very high quality real estate.

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

Great. And just lastly on the TA stock you guys bought from Tom O'Brien, is the plan to hold that, just talk it away and forget about it, or is there a point at which you would sell it as in -- it's not strategic to be owned by RMR, and you just fulfilled an obligation, but you'll get rid of it at some point?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I don't think we've discussed it at length yet. But I think if you push me on it, I'd say -- my gut says, we'll probably hold it for quite some time. I don't -- nothing is for sure. It depends on a lot of different factors. But I think that -- my gut reaction is, we'll likely hold on to that stock for a good period of time.

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

Thanks, Adam.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Operator

And our next question is a follow-up from Mitch Germain of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Adam, a bunch of C-Suite changes announced obviously in the last couple of months. Just curious about how everything seems to be transitioning there?

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Great question, Mitch. We anticipated this one. So yes, there has been quite a bit of movement in the senior ranks. None of this was, I would say, acrimonious. All of this was really folks retiring. They have had the good fortune of being with our company for a long time, and our company has been successful. They may have benefited from that success, and they had decided that it was time for them to retire.

I also think there was a natural -- it did coincide. There was a change in leadership over the last year, with myself assuming more dated -- I guess, more responsibility with the organization, with the passing of my father about a year ago. And so I think there was some correlation to that, because people said, well, is this the right time to think about retiring? Simply because, Adam is probably -- it doesn't look like he is low on energy. Probably he is going to be running this business for quite some time, and so people had to put that all on the mixing bowl and decide what it is they wanted to do. And so, I think that's what led to those retirements.

I think it's at -- largely, it's a good story. It's especially good story internally. These are folks that were well accomplished, did well and were very successful here and were successful both in what they accomplished and -- but also financially. So I think it's a very great -- it's a great story. And no, I don't think it's a trend that we're going to see continue much into 2019 or at least, I don't foresee it trending much into 2019.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Got you. One more for me, try to be a little more original on this one. No, but I'm sure you can't provide that much of an update with what's going on in Five Star, but maybe some sort of -- is there maybe a timeline that's emerging or any sort of color that you can provide? I'd be grateful.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. It's a great question. Obviously, the market is aware that Five Star is -- issued, what was called a growing concern, when it announced earnings for its third quarter, November I think -- around November when they did it. And that has led to discussions with SNH -- between Five Star and SNH. Those discussions are ongoing. I anticipate that something will be announced around it, certainly in the -- closer to the -- in the first half of this year versus the second half of this year, and the sooner the better basically. I think you can just do the math on with Five Star, and I think something needs to give in the next few months here. And so, the sooner something can be announced, I think -- we hope to announce it, and I can tell you it is a enormous focus for both SNH and Five Star and RMS of what's going on at Five Star right now.

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Great, that's helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Adam Portnoy for any closing remarks.

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for joining us this afternoon, and we look forward to updating you on our progress during our second quarter conference call. Operator, that concludes our call.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Today's conference has now concluded, and we thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.

Duration: 35 minutes

Call participants:

Timothy A. Bonang -- Senior Vice President

Adam Portnoy -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Matthew Jordan -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Owen Lau -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Mitch Germain -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Bryan Maher -- B. Riley FBR, Inc. -- Analyst

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