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CLNE earnings call for the period ending September 30, 2020.

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Clean Energy Fuels Corp (CLNE -0.18%)
Q3 2020 Earnings Call
Nov 5, 2020, 4:30 p.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Greetings, and welcome to the Clean Energy Fuels Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's call is being recorded, Wednesday, November 5, 2020. Your presenters today are Mr. Bob Vreeland and Mr. Andrew Littlefair.

And I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Bob Vreeland, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Robert Vreeland -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, operator. Earlier this afternoon, Clean Energy released financial results for the third quarter ending September 30, 2020. If you did not receive the release, it is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at, where the call is also being webcast. There will be a replay available on the website for 30 days.

Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that some of the information contained in the news release and on this conference call contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Words of expression reflecting optimism, satisfaction with current prospects as well as words such as believe, intend, expect, plan, should, anticipate and similar variations identify forward-looking statements, but their absence does not mean that statement is not forward-looking.

Such forward-looking statements are not a guarantee of performance, and the company's actual results could differ materially from those contained in such statements. Several factors that could cause or contribute to such differences are described in detail in the Risk Factors section of the Clean Energy's Form 10-Q filed today. These forward-looking statements speak only as the date of this release.

The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements or supply new information regarding the circumstances after the date of this release. The company's non-GAAP EPS and adjusted EBITDA will be reviewed on this call and excludes certain expenses that the company's management does not believe are indicative of the company's core business operating results.

Non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to results prepared in accordance with GAAP and should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to GAAP results. The directly comparable GAAP information, reasons why management uses non-GAAP information, a definition of non-GAAP EPS and adjusted EBITDA and a reconciliation between these non-GAAP and GAAP figures is provided in the company's press release, which has been furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K today.

With that, I will turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Littlefair.

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Bob. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. As we close another quarter with the world still grappling with COVID-19, Clean Energy continues to successfully navigate through this period, sustaining much of our business and expanding with new opportunities. We believe that this positions us well for the future once the world gets a handle on the personal and economic difficulties that this pandemic has brought to so many.

During these uncertain times, we continue to leverage our strong position as the leader in alternative fueling, working with our customers to support their operations, which are vital in keeping the country running smoothly. I want to thank the Clean Energy workforce for managing this demanding environment by focusing on keeping costs down and improving efficiencies while continuing to meet customer needs. We delivered almost 98 million gallons in the third quarter of this year versus 103 million in the same quarter of last year.

Refuse continues to perform well, but transit and airport fleets remain challenged due to the economic slowdown and reduction in travel related to the virus. While our trucking business was flat in the third quarter, we remain optimistic about this segment, which is up 18% for the year. Our optimism stems from the progress we are seeing with our Zero Now program and Chevron Adopt-a-Port program as well as the pressure this industry is feeling to operate more sustainably.

I'll expand on both in a moment. Overall, volumes declined 5% in the quarter, but by comparison, they were down 10% in the second quarter of this year, so we are seeing an improvement. Our revenue for the quarter was down a little less than 5% to just under $71 million compared to $74 million a year ago. In the second quarter of this year, our revenue was down 17%, so another indication that things are going in the right direction.

Our EBITDA grew to $11 million versus $8.5 million in the third quarter of last year, an 18% improvement. Our balance sheet remained strong with a little over $92 million in cash and investments and only $35 million in debt, which is principally equipment financing at our NG Advantage subsidiary. You have heard me speak over the last several quarters about the acceptance and the growth of our renewable fuel product, Redeem.

It is truly a remarkable fuel that allows customers to easily chalk up big reductions in the amount of carbon they release into the atmosphere. With no inconvenience, they can switch their vehicle fleets from diesel, whether it's a shuttle van at an airport, refuse trucks or city buses or heavy-duty trucks. Even if they are already operating on a regular Blue CNG or LNG, we can switch them to Redeem without a blip in their operations, allowing them to reduce their carbon output more than what they were doing before. Customers are responding.

With the emphasis on ESG investing and pressure from regulators, politicians, investors and their customers, companies are looking at their entire supply chain to make reductions in their carbon footprints. Fortunately, Clean Energy can provide them an easy and cost-effective transportation fueling solution. We were the first to introduce RNG as a vehicle fuel in 2013, and our volumes have rapidly grown every year. Additionally, Redeem makes up an increasingly large percent of our overall fuel mix, growing to over 60%.

We're so bullish on this ultra clean fuel that one of our own company sustainability goals is to provide 100% Redeem to our entire fueling infrastructure by 2025. In short, RNG is the future of Clean Energy. Others have seen the potential of RNG and jumped into the market with their own offering, but no other company has the existing fueling infrastructure across the entire country to deliver the numbers that we do. And importantly, no other company has secured the quantities of fuel from RNG producers like Clean Energy has.

We recently signed additional supply deals with Chevron and DTE Biomass Energy to provide us with millions of gallons of negative carbon RNG. Some of this fuel is already flowing into our California stations and much more will be coming online in the months ahead. The latest development of our transition to RNG is that more and more of it will be coming from dairies and agricultural facilities.

We call this negative carbon fuel because it is derived from methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas. But now it is displacing diesel and gasoline, allowing the California Air Resources Board to give it a negative carbon rating, sometimes over 300% minus. To put this in perspective, gasoline has a carbon intensity of 137, and diesel has a carbon intensity of 97. Even vehicles powered by electric batteries have a carbon intensity of 46 according to the California Air Resources Board.

So you can see that a minus 300 carbon intensity rating is why it catches the attention of companies seeking to reduce their carbon footprints. For instance, we are currently working with a brand-new name customer, which has begun to roll out a fleet of over 300 natural gas heavy-duty trucks, which will fuel at over a dozen of our fueling stations around the country. They've asked us to provide them with as much negative carbon, Redeem, as possible because they want to apply those carbon reduction savings to their aggressive sustainability goals.

This could represent over four million gallons of negative carbon fuel in 2021 by just one customer. This company joins others like UPS, Kroger, Republic Service, Waste Management and many transit authorities, which have expanded their use of RNG, realizing as a long-term environmental benefit for the planet while allowing them to meet their own goals. Having a long-term certainty of R&G supply is critical, which is why we have been so aggressive signing agreements with producers.

Other transportation technologies might be receiving attention recently but that's not all they're doing -- but that's about all they're doing, getting headlines. Some of them aren't so good. One you may have missed is about a large transit agency here in Southern California, which several weeks ago, quietly took all their electric buses out of service due to multiple fires on buses. This agency follows the cities of Indianapolis and Albuquerque and decommissioning electric buses that turn out to be expensive and dangerous disappointments.

Yet the use of RNG as a fuel is making substantial dents in reducing the amount of greenhouse gas emitted by transportation industry today. Electric and fuel cell heavy-duty vehicles are most likely many years away from doing this, which is why the interest is growing in RNG. As you know, we are now significant partners with three of the world's largest diverse energy companies in Total, BP and Chevron, all of whom have made it known that they are investing more heavily in clean alternatives.

That is why they want to work with Clean Energy to expand the market for RNG. We continue to remotely but aggressively make sales calls, respond to RFPs and work with existing customers to expand their fleets with success. We secured one of the largest orders through our Zero Now program with a 50-truck expansion by Express Lines for their California fleet, which now increases their natural gas truck fleet to 70 across multiple states.

Other trucking companies that have recently deployed new natural gas trucks include Alpha Lion, a USPS carrier, Food Express, Agriculture, Agile Transportation, among others. Our extended Zero Now program with Chevron, which targets trucking companies, operating out of the ports of L.A. and Long Beach has begun to show results with firm signing contracts to purchase 46 new natural gas heavy-duty trucks to fuel with Chevron's RNG at Clean Energy stations, and almost twice that many trucks are in the final contracting stage.

We also signed deals with transit agencies like Jacksonville Transportation; which serves the Washington, D.C. area; Santa Corina, Transit in California and others. In addition, we recently expanded our relationship with L.A. County Metro by being awarded an agreement to supply Redeem at three additional locations that represent approximately nine million new RNG gallons a year for five years. Our refuse business continues to grow despite the overall economic slowdown that the country is experiencing.

New deals were signed with Mesa Public Utilities, the cities of San Diego and Tucson, Athens Services and others. As I said at the beginning of my remarks, we feel like we met the immediate COVID challenge that confronts all of us. And we have the right priorities and strategies which we are executing that will ensure long-term growth, the country and the world reminding that we do -- that we all do business a more sustainable way. The transportation sector has been called out particularly, and Clean Energy has sustainable clean fuel solutions that are making an immediate and meaningful difference.

And with that, I'll hand the call over to Bob.

Robert Vreeland -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Andrew. Our third quarter results were in line with our expectations, considering a more gradual recovery in our volumes due to the pandemic. And we ended the third quarter with sufficient cash and investments on hand relative to our outstanding debt. Andrew gave some highlights around our volume for the third quarter.

The decline in volume from a year ago of 5% was principally in CNG in our transit and airport fleet services sectors, which experienced year-over-year declines between 16% and 37%, while our refuse sector volumes were up 8% and trucking, NG Advantage and bulk delivery volumes were relatively flat for the third quarter compared to a year ago. Redeem volumes of 40.1 million gallons were up 7% in the third quarter compared to 2019.

And while we have seen a gradual recovery in volumes in these past few months, we believe the effects of COVID-19 will continue into the beginning of 2021, which will prolong the recovery to normal volume levels. Our revenue for the third quarter of 2020 was $70.9 million compared to $74.4 million a year ago. Revenues were down by approximately $6.6 million due to a lower effective price per gallon.

Our effective price per gallon on volumes delivered was $0.59 in the third quarter of 2020 compared to $0.65 per gallon in the second quarter of 2019. This $0.06 per gallon decline was primarily attributed to lower natural gas costs and the effect of the pandemic on our mix of gallons delivered. Revenues declined an additional $3.1 million due to the lower volumes in the third quarter of 2020 compared to 2019.

And we had a noncash negative effect on revenue of $1.2 million from the year-over-year change in fair value of the Zero Now fuel hedge and related customer contracts. We had increases in revenue from our alternative fuel tax credit of $5 million and incremental station construction sales of $2.4 million, which brought our station construction sales to $8.8 million for the third quarter of 2020. Our overall gross profit margin in the third quarter of 2020 was $25.6 million compared to $24.5 million in 2019.

Gross margin associated with the alternative fuel tax credit and incremental RINs and LCFS revenues more than offset pressures on margin from lower fuel volumes associated with the pandemic. The alternative fuel tax credit benefited the third quarter of 2020 gross margin by $5 million over last year. And the incremental RINs in LCFS benefited the third quarter of 2020 gross margin by $3.7 million over last year. Our effective margin per gallon was $0.21 per gallon in the third quarter of 2020 compared to $0.22 per gallon in 2019.

The decline in margin per gallon was primarily driven by fewer gallons in our airport fleet services sector, offset partially by margin from our incremental RINs and LCFS. The change in the fair value of the Zero Now fuel hedge and related customer contracts was a drag of $1.2 million on year-over-year quarterly gross margin. And lastly, our 2020 third quarter gross margin on station construction sales was higher by $500,000 compared to last year, largely due to the increase in station construction sales.

Our SG&A in the third quarter of 2020 was $16.6 million, which was down $1 million or 6% from a year ago and consistent with the lower level of SG&A we saw in the second quarter of this year. We remain diligent in controlling our discretionary spending while also maintaining spending on our employees' health and keeping our work environments safe.

We expect to see similar levels of SG&A going forward until more normal business operations return. As I mentioned, our results for the third quarter of 2020 came in as expected. And notably, our GAAP net results and adjusted EBITDA were both improved over the third quarter of 2019.

And with that, operator, we will now open the call to questions.

Questions and Answers:


[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst

Hey. So it sounds like, obviously, fleets are realizing the benefits of RNG, and I've seen some recent studies, I think, specifically in refuse that point to -- that it is a superior fuel. But just curious, I mean, what kind of luck are you having with regulators? And I'm thinking specifically in California, who typically seem to fall in love with technologies that may be years away and more expensive. Any thoughts on that?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think here in California, the California Air Resources Board and kind of the companion environmental community, their love is still often focused on technology mandates and specifically, electric mandates. Though having said that, the RNG, I mean, this negative rating is one that's embraced and governs and is governed by ARB. So they fully recognize that it is a participant in the low carbon fuel standard. And so we don't have any problem there.

They recognize that it's a very clean fuel. And we're seeing RNG being required in the ports of L.A., Los Angeles, for instance, and some other places. So I don't think, Eric, in California, it's not the darling of the environmental community, and it doesn't -- it didn't really sometimes fit the narrative of the ARB but it hasn't been de-positioned as a clean alternative. In fact, if I may, Eric, I'd just kind of extrapolate a little bit. This -- the election, and I know we're still all grappling with exactly who's going to become the President here as we count more ballots.

But I've reflected on it, and let's just say if former Vice President Biden is -- actually wins the election, I think what we're going to see is maybe some of what was the agenda, the Green New Deal, and a lot of -- as you know, there's a lot of things in the Green New Deal, but a lot of it was kind of a technology-forcing mandates, most of it centered around electricity. And I don't think you're going to see that, of course, going forward, the way that the election is breaking down with the Senate likely staying in Republican hands.

And so I think -- I actually think while you might have a more environmental -- you may have an EPA that it continues to push on sustainability and maybe try to unwind certain things that have been put in place and maybe perhaps be more aggressive in certain areas, I think actually, because some of the focus on electric-specific answers probably won't be able to be done and probably won't be able to be funded because they were going to have to be funded and won't get funded in the Senate the way that they were thinking about, I actually think it opens up a pathway and much more runway for RNG.

I think sustainability will still be the thought of the day, and there's still going to be increasing pressure as we go forward. And I really believe that the more economic and actually, in many ways, more sustainable way to go about it is going to be with renewable natural gas, especially when you have this low carbon fuel.

So I think in many ways, you could look at the way that the election came out is I think it's the fact that there probably won't be elimination of fracking and de-positioning of the fossil fuel industry. I think it bodes well for RNG. So a little more than you wanted but I just kind of think that it's kind of important to see that, that's sort of a big change on the energy and sustainability front, I think, that depending on how this thing comes out, it may be very good for a company like Clean Energy.

Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst

All right. No, I mean, you actually read my mind and what my second question is going to be. So I guess I'll just go with one more and that is you talked about RNG. And I mean, this is the first call that I've heard you talk as much about dairy-derived RNG and that low carbon score, low CI score. I mean, any thoughts -- I mean, first of all, I would assume today, it's a very small percentage of the Redeem that you sell. But what is the impact to your LCFS credits or the magnitude of that impact as that becomes a bigger part of the mix?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I mean, it's -- I don't want to confuse everybody on the call, but Eric, it's so low, right? It's so much lower. It's almost like times 10 in terms of credit generation. So it's powerful. I mean, right? It's really powerful. So it's dramatically cleaner. So we are making deals now to add millions of gallons going forward, and we're making deals where the dairy gas, the negative carbon gas was going to be coming on in '21, '22 and '23.

I think we've even made deals where we'll come on for the next five years, we'll bring on more next year. But it's as if we're adding, in terms of gallons, like six or seven times, up to 10 times kind of depending previously what we did in terms of the generation of the credits. So it's powerful for us and for our customers and for the environment.

Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst

Yes, absolutely. So I guess we'll -- that is something to monitor going forward, how fast that comes on...

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. When you sort of put it on the old in -- on an MCF basis, this is really dangerous for the crop but it's like $80 an MCF. So it's strong. It's really strong. Now there's costs associated with it, a little more than the other stuff. But it's very -- that's the thing. That's what I added in my remarks.

I mean, when you compare that, a 47 score of carbon for electricity versus minus 300 for -- and it's cheaper to do, and it goes into a nationwide network that's already been built, it makes you really begin to scratch your head. And the vehicle's a lot cheaper. And it actually does the duty cycle like people want. It's hard for the others to come around on that.

Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst

Right. Okay, I'll leave it at that. Thanks for the color.


Our next question comes from the line of Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital. Please go ahead.

Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst

Hi, Just wanted to follow up a little bit. I think you mentioned a new RNG fleet customer for heavy-duty trucking. Could you kind of elaborate where those are -- will that be filling at your existing stations and what's the potential of that customer? I think you said 300 trucks but could that grow significantly or is that about the size of the fleet?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I'm going to be careful on this one, all right? But it's a very large customer. There's great growth potential there. We're working with them kind of on the next phase. Those trucks are being deployed as we speak, being delivered as we speak. Those stations that I've mentioned, there's probably a few more than about the 12 or so.

I think I mentioned 12, it's about 12 right now. That's infrastructure. Some of our existing -- well, it's all existing. I mean, it's -- but some of it are truck stops that we built several years ago in our nationwide American highway, what we talk about. So that's good news, right? Because that's loading our existing capacity, so it's great.

And that customer has the potential to add significantly beyond this. So we're very excited about it. And they're very focused -- reason I mention them here is because they're very focused on this -- on the low -- they want the lowest negative carbon fuel they can get.

Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst

Okay. Okay, great. That's good to hear. And then in terms of supply deals that you talked about, does that enable you to commit the supply deals? Or do those type of contracts enable you to commit to supply deals or to those deals? What are your commitment levels, I guess, to supply? And will you have enough supply, I guess, for some of your growth expectations here or do you need to develop additional supply?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

No, we have to continue to add supply and we've been very busy on that. And so we're working with those big energy companies I talked about and others. I've said this before but it bears repeating. We're lucky. Because we have the downstream infrastructure, we get to look at almost every deal. And so there's a lot of money now. And I think that those on the call should begin to watch this.

There's a lot of money chasing and interested in being deployed to develop RNG, right? So it's exciting. It's a new frontier. And it's not just California. It generates some more credits when it's deployed in California because of our dual low carbon fuel standard program here, but it could be generated all around the United States. And a lot of money is going to be invested into these projects. We get to look at a lot of these deals. We're bringing -- as I said in my remarks, we brought deals on this year. We just signed a few just here this last week.

They're multiyear contracts. In terms of supply, they tend to phase in. Some of them take a while to come on. But yes, we -- like, for instance, this one customer you and I just -- that we just talked about. They could use -- I mean, that fleet, if things went well, they could double our requirement, right? So yes, we have a need to continue to add a lot of RNG supply, which is a great thing.

Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst

Okay. Okay, great. And then last question just on the Zero Now program. I think you talked about some progress there. What's the pipeline look like there? And are there customers -- has that slowed down because of COVID or are there customers sort of getting near the end of the...

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

It did. It slowed down with COVID. And I think I even said this in the last quarter. I mean, we saw a general slowdown back in the April, May, June, things started to loosen up as people began to figure out more about this virus, but there was a slowdown, certainly. I mean, I think everybody in America saw that in terms of capital deployment and people buying trucks, at least the way we look at our business. And that loosened up again starting in about August.

And so we did see some move through. The -- but I would say this, Rob. We've seen just a substantial growth in the pipeline. We've got about -- I want to be a little careful here, but we've got substantially over 1,000, 1,500 trucks that are in various phases of pipeline and in terms of proposals have been sent to them and some in contracting. And so we like where that stands. We need to have more pop out now. But we are seeing steady progress on the Zero Now program.

Now in addition, we added on to this kind of our Zero Now port program with Chevron. That program alone now, we've signed 40 and that's been in process 60 days or so. We've contracted 46 trucks already in that program, and we have about 300 more trucks in various stages of that program just in the port of L.A. and Long Beach. So we're working hard on all these different ways to get people into these trucks and using natural gas fuel. And I kind of feel good about how our sales program is working right now.

Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst

Great, thank you for all the color.


[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Pavel Molchanov with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Pavel Molchanov -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Thanks for taking the question. You referenced the revival in miles traveled, transport activity after the first wave of COVID. Now of course, the United States is into its, I suppose, third wave and by some metrics, worse than the one in the spring. So if we're thinking about the last four to six weeks with lockdowns in parts of California, New York, Illinois, etc, can you just talk segment by segment, which you've noticed in kind of refuse airports and transit?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure, Pavel. We haven't seen -- we've actually seen an improvement even going back to a week or two -- two, three weeks ago, a slight improvement in all of our markets. And the ones that have been the most hard-hit by COVID is, I said, is transit and airports. Airports had been down somewhat more than 40-some-odd percent at the worst part of the pandemic. And they've come up some but they're still down 35%, 37%. Transit had been down. Some of them had been even below 30%.

They've come back being down around between 25%. We've seen them though come up every week, just a little bit, I mean, not substantially, but we've seen them come up. We have not seen any backsliding in this third -- I guess, you tell me it's now the third wave. The third wave, we hadn't seen any backsliding. We haven't seen -- and yet, we've seen it improve a little bit at airports but not substantially.

I think you're going to have to -- I think you're right. Until you get a vaccine or begin to loosen up, I think you're not going to see much improvement in airports, even though we all know air travel is up some but it's still trying. Now on our other segments, as I said, year-to-date, our trucking is up 18% and refuse is up about 8%, 8% to 9%. So those markets are up. And we're seeing -- I'm seeing the pipeline for -- I mean, this one big customer I talked about here a minute ago was Rob 300-truck order.

That all happened in the last month or so, right, a couple of months so during the pandemic. And all of the Chevron port action has happened during the pandemic in the last couple of months. So those are good examples of what's happening in trucking. Our pipeline for refuse is as strong as we've seen it. Our station pipeline is standing at about 15 stations already contracted for -- that will be 2021, which is probably, at this point in time, as robust as we've had in several years.

So -- and then we have other projects that haven't been contracted yet to build stations for 2021, we call it the bullpen. We have that number at about 7. So as we sit here in November, that's a good number for us, right, because we're going to build somewhere more like 24, so this year in the end. But I think we're going to need substantial progress, Pavel, on the kind of -- on the vaccine and such before we see this air travel thing turn around in -- and that's going to take us well next year, I think.

Pavel Molchanov -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Right, for sure. A follow-up about the tax credit. So a year's gone by. It's getting ready to expire yet again. And I'm curious, this year, of course, it's kind of a tricky situation. Not only is there going to be a transitional power, but COVID and etc, Congress as handful. How do you envision it playing out? Will it -- are you guys anticipating something soon? Or is it going to...

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I think about this year we've had. So I think what I said in my remarks, if we have a transition in the administration and because the Congress is where it's going to be, I think that probably, in many ways, bodes well for more business as usual and doing some catch-up in terms of funding programs like the extenders. And now whether or not that happens in the lame duck -- I think had there been a wholesale change of Congress and the Senate and administration, we might have been looking at a substantial COVID response and maybe the beginnings of a tax program and tax increase.

And it may have really pushed things way out. I think since I don't believe that kind of thing is going to happen, I think you're going to then kind of fall back to funding bills that are more traditional. And so there is a school of thought that thinks in this -- in a lame duck session, that you might have them tackle the alternative fuel tax and the extenders. And I wouldn't say that -- with the incentive funding that's coming because of the pandemic, that makes it more complicated.

And so it could be that it slips into the new Congress. But I haven't picked up, and I think we believe that there will be continued support to address the extenders. I still will -- is bipartisan. And Pavel, I will say that I think when they do it again, and I've said this now for probably a year, I believe they'll probably try to engineer a phase-down of it this time around to where you may have a five year phase-out of the extender of the alternative fuel tax. So I don't know. I can't really -- with everything changing, it's hard to tell. There is going to be a lame duck session, we know that. And so -- I don't know, is it 50% chance that they tackle the extenders? But I think they will just depending kind of the timing.


And Mr. Vreeland, this is the operator. There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to you for closing remarks.

Robert Vreeland -- Chief Financial Officer

Okay. Andrew?

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, operator, thank you, and thank you, everyone, for being on the line today. We appreciate your attention, and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the next quarter. Stay safe. Thank you.


Go ahead. I'm sorry, Mr. Vreeland.

Robert Vreeland -- Chief Financial Officer

That does. No, I did not call it today.


[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 40 minutes

Call participants:

Robert Vreeland -- Chief Financial Officer

Andrew J. Littlefair -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst

Rob Brown -- Lake Street Capital -- Analyst

Pavel Molchanov -- Raymond James -- Analyst

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