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WPC earnings call for the period ending June 30, 2020.

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W. P. Carey Inc. (WPC -2.66%)
Q2 2020 Earnings Call
Jul 31, 2020, 10:00 a.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Hello, and welcome to W. P. Carey's Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Victor, and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's event is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]

I will now turn the program over to Peter Sands, Director of Institutional Relations. Mr. Sands, please go ahead.

Peter Sands -- Director, Institutional Relations

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our 2020 second quarter earnings call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements made on this call are not historic facts and may be deemed forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from W. P. Carey's expectations are provided in our SEC filings. An online replay of this conference call will be made available in the Investor Relations section of our website at, where it'll be archived for approximately one year, and where you can also find copies of our investor presentations and other related materials.

And with that, I'll hand the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Jason Fox.

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everyone. I hope everyone is remaining safe and well as we continue to face the challenges of COVID-19. Today, I'll focus my remarks on several important topics; a recent portfolio performance into the pandemic, a recent investment activity, what we're seeing in the transaction environment and how we position the Company for growth while maintaining strong performance.

And after that, our CFO, Toni Sanzone will review our second quarter results which reflects our strong collections and our continued move out of the managed funds business. As well as touching upon our recent leasing activity and some of the specifics on our balance sheet and liquidity positions. We are joined today by John Park, our President and Brooks Gordon, our Head of Asset Management who are available to take questions when we get to that part of the call.

The 2020 second quarter, for the impact to the pandemic over the entire period which has been a stress test on net lease portfolios. I'm pleased to say our collections remains consistently strong throughout the quarter, ranking as one of the best in the net lease peer group as well as being among the strongest collections in the broader REIT sector, a reflection of several key elements of our approach.

When owning single-tenanted assets on a very long-term leases often for over 20 years unexpected events or significant market changes will occur. Our diversified approach in shares that issues within a particular asset type or industry will not have an outsized impact on our performance. Also, our disciplined investment process has always been focused on deep credit underwriting and mission-critical assets.

We've made important decisions over the past five decades to focus on companies, industries and real estate that we believe can withstand dislocations in the market and respond to challenges and changes in the business environment. By focusing on long-term risk adjusted returns rather than near-term growth at any cost, over the long run, we've generated strong total returns for our shareholders while maintaining exceptional downside protection which our rent collections reflect.

Net leases rightfully viewed as a relative steady business. And we believe providing better downside protection and lower volatility in our cash flows, is an important characteristics of the returns we generate for our shareholders. Our approach has clearly produced more durable rental streams, giving rise to higher quality and therefore more valuable revenues in earnings. This approach coupled with our focus on maintaining a strong and flexible balance sheet has put us in a very advantaged position today.

Overall, we collected 96% of rent due during the second quarter. Importantly, collections were consistently strong across each of the three months, across our core property types and across our U.S. and European portfolios. Warehouse, industrial and self-storage assets in aggregate comprised about half of our portfolio. In the second quarter, our rent collection rate was 94% for warehouse, 98% for industrial and for self-storage it was 100%. Office which comprises just under a quarter of our ABR, performed comparably with rent collections at 99%.

The retail, in which we maintained a long-standing underweight position representing just 17% of ABR, we collected 98% of second quarter rent. We've limited our investments in retail and disposed of retail assets, especially in areas most affected by the threat in e-commerce. Most of our retails in Europe, where there is a slower supply and we focused on assets classes like do-it-yourself and grocery which had performed well. The minor exception to our strong portfolio performance continued to be fitness centers, theaters and restaurants for which we received 37% of second quarter rents, although these represent just 2% of our ABR.

I'm pleased to report that the strength in our rent collections has continued into the third quarter, with an overall 98% collection rate so far for rent due in July. With deferrals remaining extremely low, we've been able to take the tailored approach to each situation and contrasted a broad action required by many other net lease REIT's that are dealing with widespread issues. This has afforded us considerable flexibility allowing us to opportunistically work with tenants on lease restructuring that create value.

During the second quarter, we entered into one such restructuring with a significant tenant. While the tenant was current on its rent and expected to remain that way, in return for a six-month deferred with a deferred rent spread over the following five years, we gained two years of additional lease term and improved the rent bumps by adding 50 basis points to its annual increases. Along with gaining the right to first refusal on all future sale lease backs. We will continue to look for these opportunities, but we can help strong tenents preserve capital over the short-term and create long-term value for our shareholders.

Turning now to investments. During the quarter, we completed three capital investment projects at a total cost of $148 million, comprising two warehouses and one industrial facility at a weighted cap rate of 6.5% and a weighted average lease term of 23 years. The largest of the warehouse investments was a $66 million build-to-suit project completed in June for a Class A distribution facility in Knoxville, Tennessee, net lease to Fresenius, the leading provider of dialysis clinics and equipment globally, which carried an investment grade rating from Moody's.

The facility is the tenant's largest distribution center in the U.S., supporting its newest and largest production facility. The lease has a 20-year term and fixed annual rent increases. Also in June, we completed the build-to-suit of a $74 million state-of-the-art industrial food production facility in San Antonio, Texas. For one of our existing tenants Cuisine Solutions, which is the world's largest manufacturer and distributor of sous-vide prepared food products. The property is highly critical to the tenants operations, supporting its future growth plans. And net lease for a 25-year term with fixed annual rent increases. This is also a good example of how value can be created to follow on transactions as we were able to put both the recently completed build-to-suit and the existing property under a master lease, adding 13 years of term for the existing property and raising its annual rent increases.

These investments brought our first half investment volume to $404 million, at a weighted average cap rate of 6.5% and enhanced portfolio quality, with a weighted average lease term of 19 years. A proactive approach to asset management in conjunction with the investments we've made extended the weighted average lease term of the portfolio to 10.7 years compared to 10.4 years, 12 months ago despite the passage of time. We also maintained very high occupancy, ending the quarter at 98.9%.

Understandably market activity slowed in both the U.S. and Europe during the second quarter. With investors sidelined made a great deal of uncertainty and sellers dealing with the near-term impacts of the pandemic on their business operations. Many sellers unless facing an urgent need naturally preferred to wait until market stabilized. During the initial stages of the pandemic, we also paused external acquisitions as we focused on preserving financial flexibility.

In the U.S., despite the decline in deal closings, pricing remained competitive, especially within warehouse and industrial, which investors have generally been more willing to underwrite relative to retail and office. High quality deals backed by strong tenant credits continued to attract capital. This coupled with continued high expectations among sellers saw deal closings at cap rates comparable to or times tighter than where similar assets were trading before the pandemic took hold. Recently, buyers and sellers started to come off at sidelines and we're seeing more deal flow. So we expect U.S. deal activity to pick up in the second half of the year.

In Europe, many countries are on the reopening path. And employees are returning to the workplace albeit, amid some nervousness. These concerns more aimed at public transportation than workplace safety. Regional cities are reopening at a faster pace. Early indications also point to Europe being better positioned than the U.S. to emerge from the economic impacts of the pandemic. Investors in Europe are also returning. Inquiries to brokers from corporations looking to explore their options appeared to have picked up and expectations are high that the current green shoots of activity bode well for the second half of the year.

Many companies have met their liquidity needs to short-term government stimulus packages and we anticipate demand for long-term capital through sales-leasebacks will return more meaningfully as these programs began to roll off. Looking ahead, while we remain mindful of the continued uncertainty surrounding the pandemic and its impact and economic activity, in contrast to many other net lease REIT's, we're very well positioned to perform in a variety of economic environments and resume putting money to work in the near term.

In our almost 50-year history, W. P. Carey has experienced multiple business cycles. We've honed protection built into our leases, and put in place the infrastructure to effectively manage end of lease outcomes, tenant credit issues and restructurings through our experienced asset management team. We've been encouraged by the strong performance of our portfolio during the first half of 2020 and we have a great confidence that our team will continue to proactively engage with tenants, stay ahead of any issues and ensure optimal outcomes.

We entered the second quarter with substantial liquidity primarily through our $1.8 billion revolving credit facility, which remains almost entirely undrawn. During the quarter, we took the opportunity to further enhance our balance sheet positioning through the forward equity offering we completed in June. Locking in a cost of capital that will support accretive investment activity.

As always, we're focused on deals offering attractive, long-term, risk adjusted returns, but also mindful of downside protection. Investing in critical properties with strong tenant credit, favoring large companies with access to liquidity and industry's resilient to an economic downturn. Our recent conversations with CFO's shows that pandemic has made them more aware than ever of the benefits of accessing long-term capital through sales leasebacks.

The successful completion of our recent forward equity issuance reflects the confidence we have in our ability to access a wide range of accretive investment opportunities. Those opportunities making from industries that have performed well through the pandemic, which continue to trade on similar terms to those we have closed in recent years or from industries where the challenges posed by the pandemic have reduced competition for deals, leading to more favorable pricing. New investment activity has returned to being our highest priority. We're actively building our pipeline and expect to close a number of deals in the second half of the year.

And with that, I'll hand the call over to Toni.

Toni Sanzone -- Managing Director and Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, everyone. I'll start with the review of our second quarter results and portfolio activity and in the absence of formal guidance, I'll provide some insights on areas where we have better visibility on our outlook for the remainder of the year.

We've reported total AFFO of $14 per diluted share for the second quarter with 97% coming from our real estate segment. Comparisons to the prior year period continue to reflect the ongoing roll off of investment management fee streams given the substantial progress we've made toward exiting that business.

Within our real estate segment, second quarter lease revenues increased compared to the prior year period, benefiting from net acquisition activity and contractual rent increases as well as the transaction we entered into last year to convert self-storage assets to net leases. These increases more than offset the impact of lease restructurings and uncollected rents during the second quarter.

Lease termination and other income declined to $1.9 million in the second quarter down significantly from both the prior quarter and the prior year, resulting from higher than usual lease related settlements in the prior period. While this line item can fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter, we currently expect to see a further decrease over the back half of the year. As Jason mentioned, to-date our portfolio has remained resilient throughout the pandemic, collecting 96% of total rent due during the second quarter and that continues to trend positively with 98% collected for July.

In line with the accounting guidance and a conservative analysis of tenant rent collectability, our second quarter lease revenue and AFFO include only about $500,000 of uncollected rent, which we expect to fully collect in 2020 under short-term deferral agreements. We've not recognized in second quarter AFFO $8.5 million of contractual rental income owed for the period. Approximately 30% of this unrecognized rent is under executed deferral agreements. The large majority being the longer-term restructuring with a significant tenant that Jason discussed, which will be included in future AFFO when the cash is collected. The other roughly 70% largely comprises rents due from our fitness center, moving theatres and restaurants and would only be recognized if collected.

For leasing activity, we completed three lease extensions on warehouse properties, representing 1.3% of ABR for which we recaptured 95% of the prior rent and added four years of incremental weighted average lease term. Given the inherent variability in this metric from quarter-to-quarter, internally we look at it over the trailing eight quarters, over which time frame we've recaptured 97% of the prior rent and on weighted average basis added 7.3 years of incremental lease term, while spending only $1.57 per square foot on tenant improvements and leasing commissions.

Contractual same-store rent growth was 1.9% year-over-year and is measured based on ABR to represent the rent increases built into our leases. Comprehensive same-store rent growth is measured based on pro rata rental income included in AFFO to take into account the impact of leasing activity, vacancies, restructuring, rent deferrals and abatements. For the second quarter, this metric was negative 2.6%, reflecting the full impact of rent collections and deferrals on earnings. We would expect this metric to normalize over time, and may show considerable improvements in quarters where we begin collecting deferred rents that have not yet been recognized.

Turning to investment activity. As Jason discussed, during the quarter, we completed three capital investment projects at a total cost of $148 million. All of which occurred at the end of June, so had minimal impact on second quarter lease revenues. Total investment volume for the first half of the year was $404 million and we currently expect to complete three capital projects totaling $42 million in the back half of the year, which will bring us to about $450 million of investment volume for 2020 before taking into account new external investments in the second half.

Total dispositions through the first half were $116 million as we had no dispositions during the second quarter. We currently expect disposition activity to be lower relative to prior years. Given the current market environment and our strong liquidity position, we're approaching asset sales opportunistically, if we believe execution and pricing are attractive.

Moving on to expenses. Interest expense totaled $52 million for the second quarter, representing a 13% year-over-year decline, reflecting interest savings from the significant mortgage debt prepayments we made in 2019. At quarter end, our weighted average cost of debt was 3.2%, down from 3.5% from the prior year period. Total G&A expenses further declined year-over-year as we continue to focus on operational efficiencies across the business. While we do expect G&A to trend higher over the next two quarters due primarily to non-cash straight-line rent associated with lease on our new headquarter space. We continue to expect total G&A expense to be between $76 million and $80 million.

Turning briefly to our investment management segment. Investment management revenues declined 50% year-over-year with segment AFFO totaling $6.2 million, or $0.04 per diluted share for the second quarter, reflecting the merger and management internalization of the CWI Lodging funds completed in April. Our remaining fee streams from the managed programs are outlined in our supplemental report and are expected to be relatively consistent over the coming quarters.

As a result of the CWI transaction, during the second quarter, we recognized non-cash net gain of approximately $33 million within equity earnings upon redeeming our special GP interest in those funds, which is excluded from AFFO. Our remaining interest in the combined entity are comprised of our common and preferred equity from which we do not currently expect to recognize dividends in AFFO for the remainder of the year. With the completion of the CWI transaction and discontinuation of income streams related to those funds, we view our evolution to a pure-play net lease REIT as substantially complete. For purposes of segment reporting, beginning with the second quarter, all G&A expenses other than those directly reimbursed by the managed funds are included in our real estate segment.

Moving to our capital markets activity and balance sheet. Our balance sheet remains very well positioned with ample access to liquidity and very limited near-term commitments. We further strengthened our balance sheet during the second quarter through the equity forward transaction we successfully executed in June. Given strong support from institutional investors, it included the full exercise of the underwriters over-allotment option, and was executed at a growth price at $70 per share, generating growth proceeds of $382 million. The forward agreements allow us to issue a total of just under 5.5 million shares over 18 months. At the end of June, we elected to issue approximately 1.5 million of the 5.5 million shares for net proceeds of $100 million.

At quarter end, we had total liquidity of $2.2 billion, including cash on hand, available capacity on our $1.8 billion credit facility and the remaining shares available to issue under our equity forward agreements. This ensures we are very well positioned to pursue new investments and allows us to continue to access capital markets opportunistically.

We ended the quarter with debt to gross assets of 41%, which is at the low end of our leverage target range. Net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA was six times at quarter end, an uptick from previous quarters, reflecting the impact of uncollected rent during the second quarter. Assuming the full settlement and issuance of remaining shares under our equity forward agreements, net debt to adjusted EBITDA would be within our target range.

In closing, our second quarter results reflect our consistently strong rent collections over the past few months, which is continued into July as well as the continued improvement in the quality of our earnings. Strong rent collections were also reflected in the stability of our dividend, which we raised to an annualized dividend rate of $4.17 per share during the second quarter. From a balance sheet perspective, we further strengthened our position ensuring we're both poised to take advantage of new investment opportunities and if necessary, navigate additional uncertainty surrounding the ongoing economic impacts of the pandemic.

With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Questions and Answers:


Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Emmanuel Korchman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Hey, good morning, everyone. Jason, maybe I'll start with you, just -- as you look at the back half of the year, I think you talked about your motivation and your ability to increase volumes. What asset types are you targeting, especially give your conversation about the fact that industrial isn't such high demand and maybe bigger risk to sort of the other net lease sectors?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Yes, I mean you're right. Our portfolio has held up well. Our balance sheet is in great shape, so we do expect to get back on offense in the second half of the year. The pipeline is building nicely. We mentioned, we've done about $400 million of deals mostly these capital improvement projects that have delivered this year with another call 40 to go for the year. Going forward, I think that the pipeline is a little bit more weighted toward the U.S. right now. Europe is showing some more clear signs of recoveries. So I think, we would expect that to pick up as the year goes forward.

We are more focused on industrial despite the fact that those are receiving more capital flows and probably more compression. In fact, I think the highest quality of the industrial assets are probably at this point pricing at tighter levels than they were pre-COVID. So it just shows some demand in that space especially high-quality tenants as well with their supply to quality. So we're going to be more focused on sale leasebacks. That's where we can acquire industrial assets. I think the complexities involved with sourcing and structuring sale lease backs will help us generate some incremental yield. It also helps us better underwrite these deals as well. Sale leasebacks, you tend to get more and better access to senior management since the company itself is your counter party in the deal. So that's our preference, especially in times of uncertainty right now and I think, you'll see some more of that.

Now other assets classes like office and retail, I think we'll be more opportunistic there and probably a little bit more conservative in our underwriting especially on -- with lease ends scenarios, as we know those tend not to be as critical. But we do believe in diversification. So I think you'll see us continued to look at across the asset class spectrum.

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Great. And then, Toni, one for you, just as you sat there in June saying, we'd like to improve our capital position, how do we do that? What made you do it a larger forward rather than doing either ATM at the time and getting that $100 million that you guys used in the quarter and then sort of assuming or hoping that the market would recover as you need more capital versus doing that forward equity deal.

Toni Sanzone -- Managing Director and Chief Financial Officer

Manny, I think the equity forward gives us a few advantages. It locks in our cost of equity capital, and we can fund deals accretively at that level. And also gives us some flexibility to match fund our capital needs and our investment opportunities really kind of depending on the timing when they flew in over the course of the year. So we did take the opportunity to draw down a $100 million from that forward to fund the completion of two of our projects toward the end of June.

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Thank you.

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Thanks, Manny.


Thank you. Our next question comes from Frank Lee with BMO. Please proceed with your question.

Frank Lee -- Capital Markets -- Analyst

Hi, good morning. Jason in the past you talked about potentially moving down the risk curve and acquiring lower cap rate assets given your cost of capital. Just want to get your current thoughts on this and if this scenario is still in the table?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Yes, certainly. I mean we've some -- given our diversification, we can really consider a wide range of asset types, geographies for that matter and also that kind of plays into a fairly wide range in cap rates at the same time. I think that we still believe, we can do accretive investments in the mid-to-low 5's. This would be for higher quality in most likely logistics properties like the Fresenius deal that we just announced or the Stanley Black & Decker deal that we did at the end of last year. So I think there's still a certainly an interest, maybe a bias to do some more of those higher quality deals, even if it's tighter spreads. Again, sale leasebacks allows to get in those at what we think is incrementally higher yields. But we're still looking at deals in the mid-6s and through 7s kind of the -- these maybe more of our typical sale leasebacks where again, we can drive some incremental yield through sourcing and structuring and maybe this is focused on sub-investment-grade credits as well, we can use our underwriting expertise to help to differentiate sales and make that on certain credits and tenants.

Frank Lee -- Capital Markets -- Analyst

Okay. And then want to follow-up on your comment on focusing on industrial acquisitions. And you talked about the higher increase in competition you're seeing for this asset class? How does this compare with the competition you're seeing prior to COVID and are you seeing any changes to the buyer pool?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Look, pre-COVID, I think industry was still the most sought-after asset class and it had experienced the most cap rated compression. So that really hasn't changed. In terms of a buyer pool, I think some of it depends on U.S. versus Europe. I think that there are some have and have not's. A lot of the industrial REITs obviously have done quite well in terms of collections like we have, despite being diversified. So we tend not to compete against the industrial REITs, they're more focused on -- in many cases multi-tenant industrial assets, in other cases, if they're single tenant, they tend to be short-term leases generally, so they can have a market-to-market opportunities. We still prefer to do the longer-term net leases. It fits our model of stability and predictability in our cash flows. So not a lot of change on who those players are given that, that asset class has generally held up fairly well.


Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Emmanuel Korchman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Hey, just a quick follow-up to sort of the questions discussed. A lot of companies have talked about sort of more safety stock and building out their -- the warehousing part of what they do. Does that change your approach or your underwriting or your conversations with any of these companies where previously you hadn't really looked at those locations as maybe as mission critical but that backup inventory stock seems to at least and those prices have become critical?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

I think that's a good point. I think there's also some conversations happening about onshoring of manufacturing as well for some of those same reasons to have more control over the supply chain. And I think, we'll be a beneficiary of that. Anywhere that there is a change in demand and we own real estate, we're going to be a beneficiary whether its' warehousing for some backup supply or it's onshoring in the manufacturing space, I think that we can see some tailwinds certainly when it comes to releasing. But at the same time, our model is long-term net leases so they're stable. So perhaps if rents continue to grow because of this increased demand, it's also going to provide further downside protection upon these expiration.

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Thanks, Jason.


Thank you. Our next question comes from Spenser Allaway with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question.

Spenser Allaway -- Green Street Advisors -- Analyst

You guys talked about deal flow picking out subsequent the quarter end. Can you just provide a little bit more color on how deal volume has trended between the U.S. and Europe?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Yes, sure. Yes, we've seen certainly a pick up over the last, I would say, four to six weeks in both the U.S. and Europe. But currently deal activity is more weighted toward the U.S., where our pipeline is right now perhaps counterintuitive since Europe has been a little ahead of the U.S., earlier infections and now perhaps clear signs of early recoveries and reopenings. But it's also the slow part of year for Europe as well where activity tends to slow down considerably in July and August. So while we're seeing a little bit more activity in the U.S. right now, I think once we hit September in the back half, back quarter of the year, I think we'll see some interesting opportunities in Europe. And that will be a positive for us. Obviously, it is going to -- it helps widen our funnel, but there's also generally less competition in Europe for the type of assets that we buy. And we're also still able to generate wider spreads in Europe. So more U.S. now, but I think we'll see that moderate some as we get to the end of the year and Europe reopens.

Spenser Allaway -- Green Street Advisors -- Analyst

Okay and then, I understand there's obviously a lot of unknowns still regarding the ongoing pandemic. But just curious if you guys kind of approached closer to about -- you're at 98% rent collection for July and you're fast approaching, it looks to be a return to normal in terms of rent collection. What you guys need to see to get comfortable perhaps reinstating guidance?

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Yes and it's a good question. It's something that we think about certainly, because our rent collections have been strong, we performed very well thus far. But we just have the sense that there's a lot of uncertainty out there. Companies going back to work, perhaps schools reopening across the country. It's just hard to predict, what's going to happen. So I think we just want to see some broader stability before we kind of change our view on guidance. It just seems pretty mature right now to reinstate anything. And as we see more to come on the next earnings call, we'll give an update at that point in time.

Spenser Allaway -- Green Street Advisors -- Analyst

Okay and maybe just one more, if I may. Again, just with rent collection being so high and I'm just curious, how are conversations going with tenants still? Or what is general sentiment? Are tenants comfortable with liquidity positions? I'm just curious if you still have any conversation around potential for deferrals or anything like that, there's a need for that on behalf of your tenants.

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Yes, sure. Brooks, you want to handle that?

Brooks G. Gordon -- Managing Director and Head of Asset Management

Sure. Credit quality as you said it's held up quite well in the face of COVID. And there's a lot of things causing that, one of which is that, our tenants are generally large in size, about 97% have revenues in excess of $100 million and what that's allowed them to do, is have a fair bit more breathing room and access to capital. So I would say the conversation with tenants have shrunk in number substantially. We have a few tenants, which we would characterize as requesting relief and virtually all of that is really just switching frequency from quarterly to monthly payments and all of them are current and we expect them to remain so. So that's really a cash flow management tool. And other than that, those conversations have really dissipated. So a little bit of cash flow management conversations with tenants, but the focus is really as we said in the fitness clubs and theatres and restaurants category, which is pretty small for us.

Spenser Allaway -- Green Street Advisors -- Analyst

Thank you.

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Thanks, Spenser.


Thank you. At this time, I'm not showing any further questions. I'll now hand the call back over to Mr. Sands.

Peter Sands -- Director, Institutional Relations

All right. Thank you everyone for your interest in W. P. Carey. If you have additional questions please call Investor Relations directly on 212-492-1110. And that concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.

Duration: 35 minutes

Call participants:

Peter Sands -- Director, Institutional Relations

Jason E. Fox -- Chief Executive Officer and Board Member

Toni Sanzone -- Managing Director and Chief Financial Officer

Brooks G. Gordon -- Managing Director and Head of Asset Management

Emmanuel Korchman -- Citi Research -- Analyst

Frank Lee -- Capital Markets -- Analyst

Spenser Allaway -- Green Street Advisors -- Analyst

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