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Telefonica Brasil SA (NYSE:VIV)
Q2 2020 Earnings Call
Jul 29, 2020, 9:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. At this time, we would like to welcome everyone to the Telefonica Brasil Second Quarter of 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Today with us, representing the management of Telefonica Brasil, we have Mr. Christian Gebara, CEO of the company; Mr. David Melcon, CFO and Investor Relations Officer; and Mr. Luis Plaster, IR Director. We also have a simultaneous webcast with slide presentation on the Internet, that can be accessed at the site, www.telefonica.com.br/ir. There will be a replay facility for this call on the website. After the company's remarks are over, there will be a question-and-answer session. At the time, further instructions will be given. [Operator Instructions].

Before proceeding, let me mention that forward-looking statements are being made under the safe harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1996 forward-looking statements are based on the company's management beliefs and assumptions and on information currently available forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions because they relate to future events and therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur in the future. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions and other operating factors could also affect the company's future results and could cause the results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements.

Now I will turn the conference over to Mr. Luis Plaster, Investor Relations Director of Telefonica Brasil. Mr. Plaster, you may begin your conference.

Luis Carlos Da Costa Plaster -- Investor Relations

Thank you. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining us in this conference call for Telefonica Brasil's 2020 Second Quarter results. The call, as usual, will be divided as follows: To start, Christian Gebara, our CEO, will present an update on the effects felt in this quarter due to the COVID pandemic and show how the situation is shifting our relationship with our customers; then he will go over operation and commercial performance as well as our record FTTH expansion; then our CFO, David Melcon, will comment on our cost structure, efficiency commitments, investments and financial highlights; to conclude, Christian will comment on our ongoing ESG initiatives. We will then move to Q&A.

And now, pass the word to Christian.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Plaster. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking part in our second quarter 2020 results call. I will start by taking talking about the impacts of the pandemic on our operations. As you know, second quarter 2020 was an atypical quarter with a drastic reduction of commercial activity in April, but starting to show early signs of recovery in May and June. Since the complete closure of our stores in March, we have gradually begun opening them up again, with reduced hours and limited capacity. In June, around 80% of our stores are already reopened to the public. This temporary shutdown had significant impact on postpaid additions and handset sales that typically take place in our stores. That said, we have perceived a recovery since May. And in June, we only had 6,000 postpaid net disconnections and a softer reduction of minus 10% in handset sales year-over-year. In prepaid, we were able to revert the negative trend, having a slightly positive year-over-year growth of 0.8%, as connectivity across all segments remains essential. All in all, Vivo's top quality value proposition continues to drive demand and sustain customer resilience. In fact, FTTH performed better in Q2 than in Q1, with record net adds. Additionally, churn decreased in all key segments, as customers are now giving more value to network quality and the overall experience. On slide four, with the acceleration in the use of digital channels in recent months, the customer journey is changing fast, and Vivo is at the forefront of this transformation. By June, the acquisition of new mobile customers and migrations through e-commerce had increased 16.5%, while FTTH sales has gone up by 12.3% compared to March levels. Meu Vivo, our e-care platform, that reached 17.6 million unique users at the end of the quarter, saw an increase of 19.2% average daily users for mobile and 33.8% for fixed in the last three months. Meanwhile, AURA, our artificial intelligent platform, posted strong results when we compared March to June figures. The number of contacts via WhatsApp increased 74.6%, while revenues from prepaid top-ups through AURA increased 87.1%. As you can see, the use of digital channels expanded greatly during the containment period, and these trend are here to say creating a unique experience for our customers. Moving to slide five. Through our ability to adapt and our robust operating model, focused on value and quality, we are able to deliver a solid operating performance and elevated cash generation in the quarter. Fiber, our main engine for future fixed revenue growth posted the highest level of net add ever, even with the mobility restriction space in the last months, as you can see. As a result, we increased our customer base by 31.9% year-over-year, reaching 2.9 million customers connected. In mobile, give us leading position in terms of quality and customer experience resulted in a 3.4% year-over-year growth of our postpaid subscriber base, reaching 43.1 million customers, which represents 58% of our total mobile access. Our mobile service revenues fell minus 1.5% year-over-year, which shows the limited effect caused by the pandemic on our operations. This is explained not only by the essential role of connectivity but also by our high-value client mix. In fact, 82% of our MSR is composed of postpaid revenues that are typically more resilient to macroeconomic downturns. Fiber revenues made up of FTTH IPTV expanded 39.7% year-over-year and represent 26% of all fixed revenues. This fat based evolution was unshaken by the COVID-19 crisis, and we remain confident that it will be the main growth lever of the fixed business in the future. Looking at our costs, we remain focused on accelerating the savings coming from digitalization and simplification. In the quarter, our cost had a significant year-over-year reduction of minus 5.9%, leading our EBITDA margin to advance plus 0.5 percentage points. Lastly, we continue to expand our fiber footprint while having an efficient capital strategy focused on value. We reduced our investments on legacy technologies by minus 55% year-over-year, and our opex capex over sales by minus 3.2 percentage points, while maintaining intact to levels of the investment on growth. The ratio of growth allow us, along with our strong revenues and efficient cost control to generate solid cash flows. In Q2, operating cash flow margin reached 21.2% in expanding 3.7 percentage points year-over-year and contributed to the increase of 62.6% of our free cash flow that totaled BRL5.4 billion in the first half of the year. On slide six, you can see that our total mobile revenue decreased minus 5.12%, mainly as a result of the sharp reduction in handset sales, impacted by temporary confinement measures. The sale of handsets dropped minus 40.9% in the quarter, and only began to improve when our stores gradually started to reopen. On the postpaid segment, the solid performance of hybrid in the quarter helped reduce the potential impact on revenues that only fell minus 0.7%. Prepaid revenues tend to be more responsive to macroeconomic downturns and fell minus 4.9%. However, we were able to revert the trend due to the active management of the customer base, and June figures showed an increase of plus 0.8% year-over-year. The result is that in Q2, our mobile service revenue declined minus 1.5% year-over-year. Moving to slide seven. In the second quarter, we regain we again reaffirmed our mobile leadership, sustained by customer preference and gradual commercial recovery. Our overall mobile market share stood at 33%, the highest in 14 years, and a significant improvement of our postpaid churn that reduced 0.31 percentage points year-over-year, reinforced our leadership in the segment. Now as you can see on the bottom left-hand side of the slide, prepaid registered the highest level of net adds in five years. We had 267,000 net adds as a result of our continuous efforts on client acquisition and active customer base management. Postpaid gross adds, on the other hand, suffered from the closure of our stores. But with the gradual reopening, we saw a recovery throughout the quarter. Of the 260,000 net disconnections that we had in the second quarter, only 6,000 were in June. On slide eight, we present our fixed revenues that dropped minus 5.1% due to the maturity of our legacy corporate based services and our decision to stop selling the FTTH IPTV, while we continue to see solid trends in the growing side of the business. On the right-hand side of the slide, you can see that the growing business were up 11% and continue to gain proportion over fixed revenues. This evolution demonstrates why we are confident that these segments will drive growth in the future. Our FTTH and IPTV revenues reflect the success of our accelerated fiber deployment. FTTH revenues rose 47.6% year-over-year, while our IPTV were up 22.3%. On the bottom right, through our effort to enhance sales of a diversified portfolio of service for B2B, you can see the data and ICT continues to increase its performance, and it now represents 18.6% of total fixed revenues, an increase of 1.7 percentage points year-over-year. Now moving forward to slide nine. The addition of higher value FTTH and IPTV customers continues to exceed expectations, improving the customer mix and driving ARPU growth. For the second quarter in a row, we had record fiber net adds, 210,000, and a strong IPTV performance that contributed to the growth of broadband and Pay TV ARPU's. FTTH Access in Q2 reached 2.9 million access, meaning a 32% year-over-year increase, and now represent 44% of our broadband customer base. As a consequence, broadband ARPU rose 18% year-over-year to BRL74, as FTTH customers have significantly high ARPU than customers on other technologies. Moving to the right-hand side of the slide, we present the evolution of our IPTV business. IPTV Access increased 24% year-over-year, contributed to the improvement of PayTV ARPU by 3%, reaching BRL107. I would like to point out that these positive figures are the combination of our solid fiber expansion and attractive value proposition, with the slight of quality trend accelerated by the mobility restrictions seen during the last few months. This will benefit us even more as time goes by, as customers are increasingly demanding first demand rate connectivity for homeworking and homeschooling. Vivo is ready to capture this opportunity, thanks to our consistent investment in the largest fiber network in the country. Moving to slide 10. This quarter, we had record fiber deployment, adding an additional 1.3 million FTTA home passed to our footprint. In Q2, we entered 30 new cities who use FTTH, reaching a total of 216 cities. We're expanding to fresh markets and new regions while also accelerating the expansion process by overlaying our copper and FTTC networks that allow us to improve net adds at ultra-broadband ARPU. As you can see on the right-hand side of the slide, we reached 13.1 million home passed, a year-over-year increase of 37.4%, and we expect to surpass 14 million homes passed at the year-end. On slide 11, we would like to introduce our plans to create a new vehicle dedicated to fiber that would further enhance the capture of the ultra-broadband market. The objective is to be fully operational in 2021, including the carve-out of Vivo's 1.1 million brownfield FTTH homes passed that will be complemented by the contributions of Telefonica Group and potential investors. This will allow us to create an independent and neutral wholesale network company that will reach more than five million homes passed in four years. The focus will be on cities where the fiber opportunity is still untapped and we allow people to have a less capex -intensive deployment since we'll manage the relationship with the customers and remunerate the new entity for the use of its network. This is a unique opportunity to unite Vivo's leading value proposition and superior customer care with Telefonica's Group's fiber expertise and potential investors' financial capability. As a result, Vivo will continue to expand its FTTH network through this new vehicle, through partnerships and organically, reaching more than 24 million homes passed in 2024.

I'll now pass it on over to our CFO, David Melcon.

David Melcon Sanchez,Friera -- Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations

Good morning, everyone, and thank you, Christian. On slide 12, we show how our strong cost reduction help us offset the revenue drag caused by the economic slowdown. Our cost reduced 5.9% year-over-year, which led to an increment of 0.5 percentage points to our EBITDA margin that closed the quarter at almost 40%. This quarter suffered from some atypical but temporary cost effect, mainly due to the COVID-19 crisis. But the provisions, for example, reached 3.5% of gross revenue, a 1.1 percentage point year-over-year increase with payment delays more concentrated in B2B, but with minimum cash impact. Cost of goods sold were down 34.6% as a result of lower handset sales in the period. Whilst personnel cost fell 6%, given the temporary workday reduction and benefit from government measures. Cost of service rendered increased 4.8% this quarter as a result of higher interconnection costs, associated to the seasonality of IP traffic reported last year. Our G&A and others line was also affected by temporary effects and contingencies benefited by ongoing reductions. However, the most significant factor for our consistent cost reduction and efficiency continues to be our digitalization and simplification efforts. In the second quarter 2020, we had 75% of our customers receiving e-bills. A 12 percentage point year-over-year increase and 60% of the payments were made through digital platforms. We have reduced by 21%, the number of call center calls through this growing use of digital channels like Meu Vivo and AURA. Those initiatives are critical. As a result, in consistent opex reduction, while also contributing to an improved user experience by our customer demand. On slide 13, you can see that we continue to invest in future-proof technologies, while still expanding our operating cash flow margin that increased 3.7 points year-over-year. Our capex contracted 19% year-over-year to BRL1.9 billion, as a result of our strategy to prioritize investment in growth that currently account for 70% of our expenditures. As you can see on the two graphs, on the bottom right-hand side of the slide, the capex allocated to fiber technologies increased more than 5% year-over-year, while legacy decreased 55%. I would also like to share with you that we are launching 5G DSS in eight major cities by the end of July. And that our network sharing agreement with TIM has been approved by both regulatory and competition authorities, with the first initiatives already under way. These accomplishments are a consequence of Vivo's strategy as they confirm that the company is on the value of cutting-edge technologies and constantly focused on increased rationality. Now moving to slide 14. Here, we present how our net profit generation backs our superior shareholder remuneration. Our reported net income for the first half of 2020 stood at almost BRL2.3 billion, which allowed us to distribute more than BRL1.3 billion of interest on capital. Additionally, we are announcing a new share buyback program and to enhancing even further the shareholder value. We also remind you of the payments that will be made in 2020 regarding the dividend based on 2019 net profit for a total of BRL5.8 billion. There are two tranches. The first of BRL3.6 billion will be paid in August and the second of BRL2.2 billion in December 2020. Turning to slide 15. In the first half of 2020, free cash flow grew an impressive 63% year-over-year and reached BRL5.4 billion. The results was impacted by EBITDA contraction affected by this quarter's economic downturn, partially offset by a strong cost reduction. Lower capex as we prioritize investments on growing technologies over legacies. Lower financial costs and income tax payments, mainly driven by the reduction of interest rates and working capital improvements driven by the postponement of regulatory tax payments and lower capex and opex disbursement. This solid financial profile confirms that we are in a privileged position to capture the upcoming opportunities in the telco sector. Finally, I'm pleased to share with you that our new AAA local rating by Fitch, effective since July 14, 2020, has complete the list of Brazilian AAA rating that we currently have for Moody's and Standard & Poor's. Now I would like to pass the word back to Christian, our CEO.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, David. I would like to conclude today's presentation by saying that the site delivering high-quality connectivity solutions to our clients and superior remuneration to our shareholders. Vivo also want to contribute to society through its commitment to ESG by being socially responsible and helping to build a more sustainable environment. To achieve that, some of our efforts in the short-term are our donations regarding the COVID situation. At Vivo, we are aware of the pressure on the health system in terms of supply shortages and the families facing financial difficulties during the pandemic. For that reason, we donated BRL38 million in 12 states across Brazil for the purchase of hospital supplies and equipment and food provisions for vulnerable families. Another initiative already in place is recycle with Vivo that already collected 111 tonnes of electronic waste since 2006, through more than 1,600 collection points available at our stores and other strategic points across the country. Moving to our medium and long-term initiatives, we have just announced a comprehensive project of distributed generation use in solar, hybrid and biogas energy, which will provide 80% of of our low voltage energy consumption, covering 23 states and reducing costs while generation generating local development. Finally, I'm glad to say that Vivo is a carbon neutral company with 100% of our energy being renewable, and our 100% of direct emissions compensated by offsets. These are some of the many initiatives that Vivo performed either on its own or together with the Fundacao Telefonica Vivo, and at helping society navigate toward a more sustainable present and future. Thank you, and we can now move on to the Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Maria Tereza Azevedo, Santander.

Maria Tereza Azevedo -- Santander -- Analyst

Thank you for the call, David, Christian and Plaster. My first question is on the fiber strategy. Is the idea here to sell the control, allow more leverage and maybe buy regional ISP providers as well? And is it fair for us to assume that the strategy is going to be that you're going to keep your own fiber in the multi-strategic markets? And then you will share neutral network on the middle market, similarly to what you're doing on the mobile rent sharing agreement?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

That's Christian answering. So I couldn't get 100% portfolio of what you asked. The idea is that we're going to continue growing fiber with different models, OK? We continue with the organic growth that as we stated today, we have reached like 13 million homes passed. And we're going to add, maybe another one million at the end of the year, with 14 million homes passed. We're going to give partnerships that we have with American Tower, for instance, in Minas Gerais that we planned in four years, another 800,000 homes passed. We do the franchising as well. As I think we announced one year ago that we already have three cities where we have a franchisee. That's a different model because 100% of the capex is with the franchisee, and we only get the royalty. We have also Fenix Fiber, another partnership in different states in Brazil, where we have already more than 10 cities. And now we are launching this vehicle that I just talk to you about, that's going to be a neutral network as you ask, yes. We're going to be their core client, but we're going to have other clients also using this network. We're going to our first contribution is going to be 1.1 million home pass that Vivo is contributing to this new company. And that Telefonica and our financial partner will make also their contribution, and we plan in four years to build through this vehicle more than five million homes passed, keeping also, in parallel, our organic growth and the growth that we're going to deploy with our partners. So I don't know if that was the question? Did you want to ask something else, and I can complement.

Maria Tereza Azevedo -- Santander -- Analyst

Perfect. Christian. And my second question is on the mobile market segmentation and potential market repair. Can you please comment on the strategic value that you see for Oi mobile assets? And is it mostly on the capacity and spectrum? Or do you see any threats to your high-end postpaid subscriber base in the case of a potential wholesale player?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

I think we are like, as you know, we have a binding offer that we submitted a second one on Monday. They have a value there. We are doing that in conjunction with team at Claro. We believe that there's a lot of synergy in the deal that's related to network management, customer management, channel and commercial activity. So I think together, the two of us, we are able to capture that. Moreover, I think considering regulatory and antitrust issues, I think the three of us together we are able to mitigate that. We are talking at here about three operators that have been acting in this market for decades. I think the migration of customers to our networks will be easier. And as we said, we have tower and we have spectrum to support the new contribution of customers that we'll inherit if this offer goes on. Of course, there are some other synergies in having more spectrum and also optimizing the situation or the spectrum map, when we put together some frequencies that Oi has and we also have in our portfolio.

Maria Tereza Azevedo -- Santander -- Analyst

Perfect, thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Marcelo Santos, JPMorgan. You may proceed.

Marcelo Santos -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Good morning to all Christian, David and Plaster. I have two. The first is on the fiber carve-out that you announced you're doing. Could you please provide a bit more details on what components of the network would actually be carved-out? What's the target of the geographical expansion that this carve-out is going to seek? Is this going to be mostly cities in Sao Paulo? Or is it something more nationwide? And also, if this is going to focus more on converting maybe your corporate clients? Or are you going to new areas where you don't have copper with this network. So this is the question under the fiber carve-out. The second question would be about the DSL subscribers, which the pace of decline seems to be deteriorating. In the past, I think you have mentioned that you thought that fixed revenues could start turning around maybe by the end of the year. I know this was pre-COVID, but I think that was more or less expectation that you would have the new revenue sources overcoming the legacy ones. Is this still is it still reasonable to expect? These are my two questions.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Marcelo, like so many questions. If I forget something, please remind me later on. So we are carving out 1.1 million homes passed that is from the central to the customer premise, including the CPE. So we are taking out, and we are adding this to the new vehicle, this 1.1 million customers, our customers outside the state of Sao Paulo and in cities where we deployed FTTH and that's not when we have the combination of FTTC and FTTH. It means city that we built FTTH that were beyond GVT's previous footprint. So it's not Sao Paulo, and it's not what we have still have some FTTC that was inherited of the acquisition of IPTV. So that's the 1.1 million homes passed that we are adding to this vehicle. Going forward, the growth of we are not giving up the name of the cities. It's more than 200 cities. It is in every state outside Sao Paulo, not all of them, but a vast number of states in different regions. We are not doing the vehicle growth in the state of Sao Paulo, state of Sao Paulo is going to be mostly 100% of our organic growth. So that's where we're going to built this additional four million homes passed that we're going to add to this 1.1 million in four years. I don't know if it answers your first question.

Marcelo Santos -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Yes. Thank you.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Second question. Yes, you're right, DSL is going down. When we show the number of the growth in broadband. And you could see that the growth is not so nice, but it's still close to 7%. That is the you add to this number what we grow in the FTTH that is 47.6%, and there is not such a growth in the FTTC and not a growth in DSL that ends up in the 6.7%. Here we had combination of two things. We are doing overly also over our DSL network and over our FTTC network. So part of the growth that we have is also because we are surpassing the copper network by our fiber network. We understand that we cannot be competitive with copper so either we do it ourselves or someone else, another competitor will take out these customers. So we've been doing this overlay. When you ask about when the mix would be as good enough to be the final result at positive. And I think in the slide eight, we show that already, we have 57% of our growth in fixed already what we call in new growth technologies that's growing 11% because we are adding not only the fiber but are also adding data and ICT from B2B. And what is not the growth more toward legacy, it represents 43% and is decreasing minus 20.3%. Here, there's also a decision that we took this year. Last year, we took the decision of stock DTH. But this year, we are prioritizing the usage and the deployment of our capex. We are not very focused in capex deployment of DSL, DTH and FTTC. So that is also impacting our revenue performance. But we think that is much more profitable and is much better in the cash generation for the company to prioritize capex only for the growth of new technologies, both in the mobile, as we have seen it before in the FTTH and IPTV growth and of course, data and ICT for B2B as well. So it's difficult for me to say when and now because we're also being more conservative in the usage of capex for legacy technologies.

Marcelo Santos -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Thank you very much, very clear.

Operator

Next question comes from Rodrigo Villanueva, Bank of America. You may proceed.

Rodrigo Villanueva -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, Christian and David, Plaster. I have a couple of questions. The first one is regarding accounts receivable. It seems to me that on a net basis, they declined by around 5%, both quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year. And it seems that you have not been facing any issue to collect despite the COVID crisis. So I was wondering if you could provide more color on the performance of accounts receivable. And if you would expect to see some sort of deterioration during the second half of the year? That would be my first question.

David Melcon Sanchez,Friera -- Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations

Rodrigo, this is David. If you look to our balance sheet, particularly the budget is something that is very relevant this quarter. Now, I think there have been two different behaviors, one on B2C and other one on B2B. B2C represents 75% of the total revenues of the company, and it has been very resilient to the impact of the pandemic during this quarter. I mean, the budget for this segment is in line with previous quarters, and we expect this to continue going forward. As for B2B, which represents around 20% of the total revenues has been more impacted, especially because of SME, that's more related to companies optimizing and protecting the liquidity. Nevertheless, we are monitoring closely the evolution and adopting the necessary measures to minimize the impact such as negotiating debt and offering the option of paying installments, free of interest and fine. So I would say, in summary, on the budget, I mean, it's under control, and we believe the worst impact is already behind us.

Rodrigo Villanueva -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Understood, David. Very clear. The second question that I have is related to the use of Huawei equipment. We have seen different comments on press articles regarding the potential for Vivo to use Huawei equipment going forward. So I was wondering if you could please clarify if you have already reached a decision regarding these I mean, basically, the use of Huawei equipment in your network?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Rodrigo, it's like, we are following it closely. So you may know, we follow and we have all the security and protection of our hardware already in place for any vendor. We have like the highest higher safety standards, and we are like closely monitoring everything that's going on regarding all this and any decision taken by our regulator agency and government, of course, we need to fulfill everything that may be decided. As you know, we work with a multi-vendor strategy. We think that it's very beneficial to have a multi-vendor strategy, not only for price but also for innovation. So far, we continue with our strategy monitoring what's going to be any if there is any decision for 5G. So far, we keep it the way it is, which is monitoring and keeping all the security and protection standards that we have here aligned with the Telefonica Group.

Rodrigo Villanueva -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Christian, very clear. And one final question, if I may. When Vivo thinks about new fiber to the home clusters, is there a minimum threshold in terms of population living in those areas that you consider?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

We have a different model for all different types of cities, OK? When the city or, like, if you consider the number of cities that we have to date, we have more than 200 cities, as I stated before, we are talking about, in general, the largest cities. We are in most of the state capitals here in Brazil, with an exception of some in the north. So we continue growing that way in the larger cities, midsized cities. With the vehicle itself, if you are asking about what will the vehicle itself. We are going to focus in midsized cities because the smallest one, that we can be considered below 50,000 inhabitants, we are trying to reach the appropriate franchisee model that I also explained in previous calls. Now that there we have franchisees that will be able to deploy the capex by himself and he will pay us a royalty. So more midsized, smallest one will be for franchisee, but it doesn't take out of our rather, if there is a small city close to a largest center that may be creating a cluster, there should be also deployment to have the backbone and infrastructure there. So it's going to be a combination with Vivo. We're going to check every opportunity, but we have a different model to each of them. Even in Minas Gerais, for instance, we are doing 40 cities, midsized, in general. Some of them are a little bit smaller than the number that I gave you but as we have a partner that is American Tower that's willing to deploy, they have the infrastructure, we're going to take the opportunity also to deploy it. And also we take into consideration our postpaid penetrations like is very high and the convergence opportunity that we have is also we're taking into consideration.

Rodrigo Villanueva -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Understood. Chris, I'm very clear. Thanks so much. Over to you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Fred Mendes, Bradesco BBI.

Fred Mendes -- Bradesco BBI -- Analyst

Good morning everyone and thanks for the call. I have two questions here as well. I mean, the first one, on the mobile phones, I mean, we saw a decrease in ARPU, 2.6% year-over-year. So I just want to understand this trend because historically, the net adds on the postpaid, there has been more toward the hybrid plans, that does not seems to be what we saw some weakness with these net adds over the next months, which obviously explained by the pandemic. So just want to understand if maybe during the pandemic, Vivo focused more on down-selling in order to keep discuss with the mitigation or if there is something else here behind these ARPU results?

And then my second question, on the FTTH, when you have a final copper and you want to upgrade these clients to FTTH, are you being able to charge a higher price? Or that's kind of the price that the client can afford it. And also if you can share with us the ARPU for the FTTH only?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Fred, this is Christian. No, look, the ARPU, there are many things consideration year over quarter. So it is true that postpaid, the pure postpaid was impacted, the new acquisition was impacted because our stores were closed. So most of our sales of pure postpaid, as you know, are through stores. So in March, we closed all of them. We're talking about 1,600 stores, and we start reopening them through the quarter. So if you look at net additions of postpaid. And here, I'm adding for pure postpaid with hybrid, it was minus 134,000 in April and was already in almost 0 in June. So of course, there is a recovery, and that has a positive impact in our ARPU once the recovery is there, and we are back to the levels that we had before. We are not facing churn, our churn is very controlled either like it's even better than it was before. But the ability to be more commercially active during this quarter was low. So we were not able to launch. We've just launched like one month ago, our new pure postpaid value proposition. Outside our family plan that we call Selfie, that is a plan that has a good ARPU because it adds to the plan, the partnership with one digital OTT Netflix, Rappi, Spotify, and we are planning to launch more. But of course, we need to have stores and commercial activity to be able to do that. Migration was also impacted in the first moment because people were more concerned, they were at home, but we see also recovery in migrating customers. And as you can see, our net add in prepaid, it's fairly and strongly positive. That give us room for more migration in the next quarters. And inflation is very low, Fred. So I think we should also be not considering ARPU included that we had in the past, when Inflation was different for the reality that we have in Brazil right now. Second question about overlaying copper or FTTC. In copper, I think was your question, DSL. Yes, depending on the we have some different pricing situation in the DSL. But normally, ARPU can be improved because we have the possibility of selling different speeds and much higher speeds. And also, we can add IPTV that gives us a very good improvement in our book that sometimes DSL, that was pure DSL of DTH was not possible to do.

Fred Mendes -- Bradesco BBI -- Analyst

Perfect. Chris a. Thank you.

David Melcon Sanchez,Friera -- Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Mr. Tito Ferraz, Itau. You may proceed. Hi, good morning.

Tito Ferraz -- Itau -- Analyst

Thanks for taking our questions. My first question here is regarding capex levels. So we've seen capex levels decreasing and with less focus on deploying a copper network. Can you give us some more color on what would be a reasonable level of capex going forward as a percentage of sales?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Tito, this is Christian. Yes. As I said before, that we are not stopping any investment in growth. So here, I'm talking about 4.5G and FTTH deployment, deployment of homes passed and also connecting customers. So as you can see in our presentation, the capex for technology, what we consider fiber, we had growth of 5.3%. In legacy, we'll be more conservative. No, we were already very determined to stop DTH. Now we are much more selective also with other fixed technology, such as DSL and FTTC. We are not giving guidance still, I think, what that's going to happen in this quarter, and in the last quarter of the year regarding the commercial activity. But we're going to be more conservative when we talk about legacy. Even this quarter, if you compare capex level, it was much lower than it was in the same quarter in 2019. So a different mix with strong focus in what's growth for us is fixed and what's in technology mobile.

Tito Ferraz -- Itau -- Analyst

Okay. And just a quick follow-up question here. Looking forward at your the agreement with TIM, when can we start taking at some results on capex and opex savings from this initiative?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Good question. As you know, we got all the improvement all the approvals in the regulatory agency in the CADE antitrust agency. So we are now ready to start working on this. This year is too early to see results, we are adopting preparing our networks in both fronts in the 2G and also in the 4G for cities that are below 30,000 inhabitants, as we said the 2,000 inhabitants, as we said. So I think next year, will be the first year we're going to start capturing the opex and the capex related to this agreement.

Tito Ferraz -- Itau -- Analyst

Thank you. Thanks a lot. Very clear.

Operator

Next question comes from Mr. Walter Piecyk, LightShed. Sir, you may proceed.

Walter Piecyk -- LightShed -- Analyst

Over to the fiber. Is that the long-term game plan? Is there potentially an opportunity to sell those customers to AT&T's Sky business? And then even beyond how you...

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Sorry, sorry, you were on mute. Can you start the question from the beginning because we just got the last word?

Walter Piecyk -- LightShed -- Analyst

Sure, sorry. You said a lot on the call about taking capex or moving the DTH customers away. Obviously, we can see the sub-growth there going down from satellite and you're shifting to fiber. Is the long-term plan to continue to do that? Is there an opportunity maybe to sell some of those customers to Sky? Conversely, could you if you can get a really good deal on Sky, just buy them for the customers and then over time, migrate them to ADSL? And then in general, again, just thoughts on Pay TV, like does it even make sense to offer a Pay TV product? Isn't it better maybe just to become a broadband provider and let the customer figure out their own over-the-top Pay TV services, thereby getting much higher margins for your business? If you could just talk about those issues, I'd appreciate it.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Walter, look, we are as you know, we are not leaving Pay TV player in the market. So what we have in Pay TV today is the combination of 800,000 IPTV customers. And something more than 300,000 of DTH or 300-something-thousand DTH customers. Over, as I said before, already more than 13 million homes passed and almost three million, only if you consider FTTH, three million customers in FTTH and more customers in FTTC. So our deal with Pay TV, especially in IPTV, that's what we are betting for the future because, as I said, we are not giving service to new customers in DTH is to operate when the customer really wants a triple play. Also sometimes, the customer really wants to have a triple play, and they want a full Pay TV. It's not the majority of customers, most of customers. And of course, it has some difference between cities, but most of the customers that just bought broadband. And as you said, they may decide for our OTT model and even in this sense, we just launched our fiber service and FTTH plus Netflix. That we are selling our broadband with Netflix and not necessarily selling or forcing the bundle with the Pay TV. Now you can buy individually Netflix with broadband. So going forward, what we're going to have this hybrid model. We keep IPTV as an option for those customers who want to have the Pay TV full-service, these customers still exist. We are also willing to continue selling only broadband and plus OTT, we are partnering with all of them, and we want to be selling bundled, pay service together for our broadband. And here, I can give two names, Netflix and Amazon Prime Video, renegotiating some different deals with other OTTs, open to do with all of them. And in DSL and in DTH, yes, it's going to be going down now because the churn is normal churn of a DTH service and we are not adding new customers. If someone can come here and try to buy our customers if it makes sense to our customers. If it makes sense to the way we operate, we are open to the discussion. But right now, we don't have this on the table.

Walter Piecyk -- LightShed -- Analyst

That was very helpful. And that strategy seems to make a lot of sense. Just one quick follow-up. Can you give us a sense of what percent of your wireless subscriber base is has LTE phones or is using LTE service today? Or maybe a mix of traffic, if it's not mix of phones?

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Smartphones, it's more than 50%, for sure. I don't have the exact number, but it's growing up, but it's more than 50% over the smartphone customer base, for sure.

Walter Piecyk -- LightShed -- Analyst

Sure. Okay, thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Christian Gebara for any closing remarks.

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

Well, thank you all for participating in this call. As usual, we are always open for further questions if you want, you can reach our Investor Relations team. So thank you all. And good day for everyone. Bye-bye.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 54 minutes

Call participants:

Luis Carlos Da Costa Plaster -- Investor Relations

Christian Gebara -- Chief Executive Officer

David Melcon Sanchez,Friera -- Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations

Maria Tereza Azevedo -- Santander -- Analyst

Marcelo Santos -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Rodrigo Villanueva -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Fred Mendes -- Bradesco BBI -- Analyst

Tito Ferraz -- Itau -- Analyst

Walter Piecyk -- LightShed -- Analyst

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